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#101484 - 10/01/12 08:21 PM DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress
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Hi everyone!
I wanted to form a DIY'er discussion that lets us check in every once and a while and discuss all the things us DIY'ers encounter. Here:

- We can talk about current areas we're treating, strategies for progress, areas we've completed, and what's up next.
- We can talk about equipment: needles, tweezers, loupes, lighting.
- We can talk about areas and the strategies to get to them, and clear them.
- Or, can bring up pain management, power, zapping styles, or blend or Flash.

I know there are DIY'ers out there, and maybe this will get us all posting regularly, and helping out the newbies.

Take Care,
Mantaray
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#101486 - 10/01/12 08:42 PM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: Mantaray]
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Okay, and now for my check in:

I'm a guy, I've been doing it for what? Two years? Three years? Anyway, I'm on my abdomen right now. I really dreaded it when it was looming. I thought it would be very painful and slow. But actually, I've been pleasantly surprised.

It's going great, way, way faster than I ever imagined. So far I've put in about three two-hour sessions, and maybe a smaller few sessions here and there (like 15 minutes) and it's clearing good.

In that this is like a 'return to electrolysis' for me, I have to get my work endurance back up. After stopping and restarting, I found that, although the technique came back quickly, the endurance to treat for one, two, three hours had diminished. When I left off, I was doing up to five hour sessions no problem, with two or three ten meinute breaks, and had gone as long as eight hours, with/without auto-insert.

This time I'm doing it with no painkilling at all. And I have found that I get more done, and my pain tolerance is way better. Seems the bigger the deal pain is in your mind, the bigger the deal it will become. At least that's what I have found.

What I have found is, on the upper abdomen, it's too close for the focal distance of my loupes, so I remove my contacts and have found my insertions are better bare-eyed, than with shorter range reading glasses, or other loupes I have with that range. My depth, speed, and angles are really surprisingly good bare-eyed at about 6 to 10 inches, but is impossible outside that range. I just get so used to how my contacts muddle my close vision, that without them in, I see like a hawk at close range.

Anyway, that's where I'm at now, abdomen. I am still cleaning up upper chest. That's the area I am moving out of, and still hit upper inside of thigh once in awhile. That's a trickier area.

Take Care
Mantaray
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#101504 - 10/02/12 11:28 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: Mantaray]
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Registered: 04/12/11
Posts: 288
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Nice to see a thread like this, it should probably be a sticky. I was actually thinking of making something similar to this. Unfortunately, it seems there's either not a lot of DIY'ers or they're simply not active. The extent of my posting on this board will probably be limited to my activity as i perform DIY on myself, after i'm finished i imagine ill move on, but who knows!

Anyway, a little background info. I'm a male (no, i'm not transitioning, thanks! =)), i'm in college for computer science, which is proving to be a tricky task juggling with trying to stay within what i expect to be an acceptable time frame in my hair removal, programming and practicing math.

DIY has been not only a hobby to me, but i find i save a lot of money and time with the added bonus of practicing in privacy. I've actually gauged how much electrolysis would have costed me given i would have seen a professional for all the work i wanted done, and it's about 4000$ (so far). My initial investment of 150$ (110$ for epilator and about 40$ for foot pedals and new probe) has given me a huge ROI.

My target areas for DIY is my entire stomach up to my chest, thinning hair on my arms out, and either thinning out or removal of entire upper arm hair. unfortunately, there are areas i simply cannot target and won't waste time on. Lots of respect for trying to perform on your chest, my neck simply won't allow me to see. Back on track..I still attend regular electrolysis sessions with a professional for the areas i simply cannot target, these areas are back of the neck (giving me a hair line), cleaning up eyebrows, above the cheeks i have some dark hair, upper chest had more hair then i wanted, and my back had some patches of dark hair that i wanted gone.

I also wanted to say i have no education on electrolysis in general, the books i read completely bored me.. it didn't help i had a drink or two before. I chalk it up to a attention deficit. I'm completely self taught and i have a few scars to prove it. No shame in that.


Edited by iLikeDIY (10/02/12 11:56 AM)
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#101522 - 10/03/12 09:52 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: iLikeDIY]
ekade Offline
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I wonder what usually DIY do with needles? Every time using new disposable needle or soaking used needle in rubbing alcohol or something else for some time before using it next time?

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#101523 - 10/03/12 10:06 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: ekade]
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I've found that i can re-use the disposable needles after hour long sessions. I usually use a needle until i clumsily bend it out of use, before re-use i rub the needle with a cotton ball and alcohol.

I dispose of the needle in a plastic medical waste container, still haven't filled that thing up yet. All of my used double edge razor blades / electrolysis needles go in there.


Edited by iLikeDIY (10/03/12 10:08 AM)
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#101524 - 10/03/12 11:44 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: iLikeDIY]
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iLikeDIY, you are very responsible using medical waste container for used double edge razor blades / electrolysis needles.

I always wondered whether it is the huge different between sterile electrolysis needle, which was using during several hours sessions (apparently, after some minutes it is not sterile anymore) and between rubbing the needle with a cotton ball between sessions as you do (of course, if needle is used for the same person)

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#101530 - 10/03/12 08:32 PM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: ekade]
Mantaray Offline
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Loc: San Diego, California
iLike DIY & ekade,

Hey!
You know, back when I started, I would go through about two needles in an hour. Then, it became one needle for the whole session no matter how long.

Now that I've restarted my work, I re-use one needle over and over. I've used my current needles (one on a short handle, and one on a long handle) for at least three or four sessions. I wipe them in alcohol before and after the session, same with my tweezers. The AC zapping in itself kills germs, but how much? I don't know. True, I could be more careful and change out the needle with each session, but I'm pretty careful.

I'm probably going to start keeping a Ballet F3G on my long handle, and a Ballet F2 on my short handle. I have this notion F2's can follow difficult bending follicles better, but I don't know. I'm thinking a skinnier needle could also pierce the side of the follicle just as well, and has less of a killing spread.

I keep all my needles. I like thinking of all the treatments I gave myself. I figure if each needle was used at least one hour, then each needle represents $70 I saved by DIY'ing. smile
The little container I keep them in would make a good photo. It's kept in a drawer in my cart.

I use the Henry Schein steel lancets. Now those go in a regulation medical sharps disposal container. I like the steel ones because they stick to a magnetic strip I have on my lamp. That way they are in easy reach. If you guys don't use those yet, I heavily recommend them. They're like $3.00 for 200, supercheap.

What I did was order from TES more "handle/handpiece holders", like the machines usually have on the sides, and put adhesive tape on them. I put them along the front of my cart.

I tried mounting a tweezer on the handpiece, so I could do the hit, then just flip it over to tweeze, but that hasn't worked in that it puts excess wear (electrical shorts) on the handpiece wire due to all the twisting. It's still useful though in some areas where you need two hands to work, then tweeze. What I want to do is make a ring that holds the teezers on my middle finger's side. Something like that.

My main electrolysis day is Friday, but I need to work in a second day, it'll be Thursday or Tuesday. I have to work with the shaving schedule. Once again I'm back to deciding 2 two-hour days or 1 four hour day? It'll probably end up 2 four hour days. LOL.

Hey iLike DIY, yeah, I used to do the niparoo drinky drinky thing too. Vodka/ Bloody Mary's. Could say a lot about that! not sure if I want to do it again, but yeah, it takes an edge off the time. I try to get someone on the phone wearing my earpiece. That helps.

Even after all this time. I'm fascinated by the way electrolysis clears out hair. A really good hit on a really large hair is still a wonder. It befuddles me why more people don't DIY or go to pros. All those razors across America getting used every day.

Take Care
Mantaray
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#101536 - 10/03/12 10:27 PM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: Mantaray]
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wow this thread is really inspiring me to learn the craft! Problem is there is no one here to learn from;( In my dreams I am Michael Bono's student but alas that is just a dream. Any chance anybody out there wishes to teach a keen student ? I would also love to learn what machine to look out to buy.
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#101544 - 10/04/12 10:19 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: Danika]
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
@danika First off i'd like to say that DIY electrolysis is not just a hobby, it's a change that needed to happen with me it wasn't something i just came across.. It takes a lot of time and discipline to be successful. That being said, the best teacher is always yourself, if you give me a couple of principles i can guarantee you i'll find the rest out on my own. Before you decide that electrolysis is something you want to do, i would suggest a One Touch Electrolysis unit because its fairly representative of how a actual machine would utilize a galvanic current and it's rather cheap ($20 at Sally Beauty last i checked). If you find its something that you can do (electrolysis isn't for everyone) a professional machine will run you 100$-2000$ on ebay. I could go into a 'schpeel' of digital vs. analog units but that wouldn't get us anywhere, you need to decide for yourself.

I've put a lot of time and effort into electrolysis, be prepared to be a shut-in for a while smile. But i like to think the time i put in electrolysis is better than looking in the mirror and not being satisfied with who i am. It's all made up in the future.


Edited by iLikeDIY (10/04/12 11:15 AM)
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#101545 - 10/04/12 11:37 AM Re: DIY'ers: Areas, Goals, Concerns, and Progress [Re: iLikeDIY]
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Mantaray, awesome post. Any chance you can PM me a link to those steel lancets?

* The clickable links in the text are pictures *

Anyway, Electrolysis 101 states that the probe should be held at 180 give or take a couple of degrees <= or >= for correct insertion into the follicle. Your wrist should be rotating to perform different angles of insertion while keeping the probe at about 180. I'm sure it could be summed up mathematically a little better but i'm not going to go into that. The tweezers should be gripped at about (pi/4) on the unit circle, or about equal to a 45 degree angle and of course being perpendicular to the probe while insertion is being performed. Everything thus far is expressed in terms of a 2 dimensional geometric (or trigonometric) plane, but the real key here is your arm which is used to create a more 3-Dimensional plane while inserting. After the current (galvanic), heat (therm) or both (blend) is applied to the follicle i switch the tweezers to a position where i can grasp the hair to extract it from the follicle, believe it or not i've successfully mastered this technique with both hands!


this is going to be an on going post, i don't feel like finishing it right now.. And if this thread is monitored by professionals feel free to point out any errors in the post in a PM and i'll update it.


Edited by iLikeDIY (10/04/12 12:21 PM)
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