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#101988 - 10/23/12 08:19 PM Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback
Danika Offline
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Anyone with experience with this machine? ?
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#101995 - 10/24/12 12:09 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Danika]
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I ahe never worked with it. But i have had 230 hours of treatment with a sequentium (and my first machine was a German stripped down clone of it).

What should i say? Probably computerized - one of the older "modern" devices. Capable of pulsed blend and fast thermolysis. IMO one of the old work horses. No need to abandon it if it is still in good condition.
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#101999 - 10/24/12 02:42 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: beate_r]
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Thanks B,
Trying to decide weather to sell the Apilus Jr. or the Sequentium. Is there a vast difference in the quality of these machines?
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#102002 - 10/24/12 04:25 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Danika]
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The Sequentium 328 and the Apilus Jr are both high quality 13.56mhz computerized epilators. Personally I would keep the unit that offers the most options and is engineered for ease of use. Simple menu trees and screen readability are concerns as well.
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#102004 - 10/24/12 04:43 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Hairadicator]
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GOOD ADVICE , UNFORTUNATELY I AM TOO UNFAMILIAR WITH BOTH TO KNOW WHICH IS BETTER IN THAT REGARD. VERY NEWBIE PAIN smile
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Female- Light skin, brown/blonde hair.
LASER- over 1+yr. Pleasantly surprised with results. No future sessions. Need to live with/in sun.
ELECTROLYSIS- Scammed by the one in my town. Whenever possible, while traveling out of town,I try to get electrolysis on face. Very Challenging overall due to lack of professionals available .Many treatments done on only a tiny area of my face yet there still seems to be alot of hair growing there. Seems an impossible dream at this point frown




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#102007 - 10/24/12 01:09 PM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Danika]
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Both machines are equally effective, but many find the Apilus easier to use (while some find the Silhouet-Tones easier to use). Many find Apilus more comfortable in delivery of treatment energy.

The machines are almost neck and neck.

What would tip it to Apilus for me is they give much better product support. For one thing, I have never had a problem getting a replacement manual for someone who has an old Apilus.
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#102009 - 10/24/12 05:52 PM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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See James, I don't think the machines are neck and neck. I know the ST Sequentium 328 does 1/1000ths "Superflash". But now, the Junior, not Junior Plus, not Junior 3G, is from the Senior I Electropil era, with that flat style thinner body. And, I know the Apilus Senior I, it's bigger brother, doesn't do 1/1000ths, it can only get down to .01 second therm pulses.

So I'm thinking, the Apilus might be a more user friendly machine, but the Sequentium 328 is actually a lot more technically advance and capable. I'm guessing the machines are no more than two years apart. The 328 functions on 75 Watts, I'm guessing the Junior functions on about 100 Watts, is that an indicator of pulse power capability? I don't know. Maybe just needed processor operating requirement.

I think the Sequentium 328 is above the Apilus Senior I, not to mention the Apilus Junior of that era (not the Plus or 3G).

This is the style we're talking about, not the big new puffy Apilus plastic bodies:
http://www.dotmed.com/listing/electrolysis-machine/dectro-international/apilus-junior/914348

kind of like talking vintage cars huh?

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#102037 - 10/25/12 01:01 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Mantaray]
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While I do have actual experience working on Silhouet-Tones down to the ST-250 level, My Apilus backwards compatibility experience goes back to limited use of the Senior One.

So it is possible that the 328 is more versatile. It has been more than ten years since I worked with the older ST's.

You are correct, it is like talking vintage cars. "Is this the year the Nissan Altima had the heads up display dash display that showed the gauge info on the windscreen as you drove without looking down at the actual dash?" laugh
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#102039 - 10/25/12 09:52 AM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Mantaray]
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Originally Posted By: Mantaray
[color:#333300]See James, I don't think the machines are neck and neck. I know the ST Sequentium 328 does 1/1000ths "Superflash". Apilus Senior I, ... can only get down to .01 second therm pulses.


...as well as the old Junior, which i still use regularly side by side with my Platinum. But how much does such a difference matter? What i do not like on the Apilus Junior (and, btw. the Platinum as well) it its limitation of HF current in traditional blend mode which is a lot lower than the limitation of HF in slow thermolysis. Unreasonable regarding the adjustment of blend signals as given by Hinkel or described in Michael's book.
What i do not like with the Junior either is the too long and non adjustable time interval between two flash pulses which can be overcome only by using tricks.

So i would check both machines not only for their raw technical data but really closely look at the details of their implementation. At least with machines of this class these details affect the possibilitis in real treatments more than the minimal length of flash pulses.
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#102044 - 10/25/12 09:30 PM Re: Silouette-tone sequentium 328- any feedback [Re: Mantaray]
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Thank you Beate,

Just a correction of my own post: Silhouet-Tone refers to 1/1000ths of a second as "HyerFlash", and 1/100ths of a second as "SuperFlash".

It uses the "HyperFlash" in a programmed routine that delivers a quick pulse, followed by two differently modulated thermolysis pulses, all chained together, in rapid continous succession. ST calls this "Sequential Thermolysis". Anybody familiar with Silhouet Tone knows they have quite a few theories about chained together modulated currents with both blend and therm. Some of which I have used, and have been annoyed at the length of time the programme takes to complete, but of which I may go back and experiment with on some ingrowns.

I just wonder if it's similar to the Apilus "Multiplex" delivery. I've never really read anything on Multiplex. I would think it's similar.

Thanks for helping Danika with this thread. She's new to this, and I can see how choosing a first machine could be tough.
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