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#102688 - 11/26/12 01:34 AM Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS
curly-girl Offline
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Hi ladies and HairTell,
Thanks for all your tips and help. I've been lurking for the past two weeks and wanted to post for your opinion on my electrolysis situation. Your replies are greatly appreciated. I'm a white redheaded female, mid-thirties with sensitive skin. No scarring previous to this and I take religious care of my skin.

Three weeks ago, I had electrolysis performed on my chin and upper lip area by a dermatological surgeon. She recommended electrolysis after repeated issues with acne from ingrown hairs and because my sensitive skin doesn't tolerate laser hair removal (blisters and redness). She said that electrolysis was the only option for hair removal in that area.

She used a machine that had a circular disc that I had to lay on (for grounding) and a foot pedal. The machine made beeping noises throughout the process.

THREE WEEKS AGO - MINUTES AFTER ELECTROLYSIS:



I immediately started bleeding and leaking a clear fluid from the treated area. She spread Desonide, a corticosteroid white cream on both the upper lip and chin. She told me to apply the corticosteroid daily and gave me a follow-up appt for two weeks after the procedure. I applied the cream that she prescribed and started drinking vitamins (A & C). I also used my gentle oil-free moisturizer and gentle anti-bacterial facial cleanser to wash the area.

The scabs started forming almost immediately. I was careful to never peel them or scratch them. They were filled with yellow liquid and lasted a week or so. Pink and light purple bruising in the upper lip and chin area.

ONE WEEK AFTER ELECTROLYSIS:
My scabs looked like this and I could see little pink lines and holes. I also had pink and purple bruising with little black marks that looked like freckles. My hair (new cycle of hair growth) started coming back in.


TWO WEEKS AFTER ELECTROLYSIS:

When I went in, visibly upset about the pits and little scars for my appt, she told me that everything looked normal. That the healing process can take 3-4 months and that due to my sensitive skin, the scabs and little holes were expected. That the skin would would fill in from the bottom up. She said to stop using the corticosteroid and to give the treated skin a light massage with silicone gel (Dermatix Ultra) three times a day. She also told me to use Retin-A on the affected area to help tone down redness and help regenerate skin. She gave me a prescription for vitamins, special sunblock and told me to keep hydrated. She schedule another appt for a month from now and mentioned that if I had light scarring in a month, that she can provide micro-dermabrasion services to even out any scar edges.

THREE WEEKS AFTER ELECTROLYSIS:


Right now, I look like this:



The upper lip has between 12-15 little holes on each side. The right side has a large pit scar and the left side. The inside of each scar is pink and deep. Makeup doesn't cover up the holes.



What is your opinion? Was I burned and over-treated? Will these pit scars go away naturally? If not, should I try micro-dermabrasion? Dermarolling the scars? Copper Peptides? Using some kind of scar filler? Is this usual for electrolysis on the upper lip?

Should I just keep using the silicone gel, be patient and wait another month, like she said?

The holidays are coming up and I am willing to try anything to have these scars heal properly with minimum pitting and scarring. If this is normal for electrolysis, I'm willing to wait for it to heal. If it's not normal, please help.

What do you think? All comments and advice are welcome. Thanks!


Edited by curly-girl (11/26/12 01:57 AM)

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#102689 - 11/26/12 02:51 AM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: curly-girl]
dfahey Offline

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I will give my opinion. This is NOT the USUAL desired outcome after one has electrolysis on the upper lip. This is what we call over treatment, meaning the follicle was treated beyond what was necessary to permanently eliminate the hair. Normal side effects are redness, mild swelling for minutes to hours after a session and maybe some pinpoint scabs that last for a week or two. For my people who desire a full, first clearance on the upper lip, I tell them that these side effects are expected except there will be more redness, more swelling that lasts about three days and they may have a few scabs that last a little longer or they may have no scabs?

Bleeding is not good and lymph fluid drainage signal that too much energy was used. It is not necessary or normal to have this outcome. This is NOT the fault of the process called 'Electrolysis' - it is a human skill factor that is causing your concern - and rightly, you should be concerned. It will heal. It may take several months, maybe more if you interfere with the natural healing process by using too many medicants! Do not have any more treatments until you are healed and do not allow this to happen to your skin AGAIN!

So a physician was performing electrolysis on you? are you located in the United States?
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#102690 - 11/26/12 03:11 AM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: curly-girl]
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No, this is by very, very far not normal. When I read "Horror Story" in your title, I wasn't expecting THIS!

First and foremost, do not, under any circumstances, repeat whatever she had done. That means, do not go to her for hair removal. Ever.

It is difficult to imagine what exactly has happened there. She might have been using a "Hyfrecator" device. Calling this overtreatment or bad electrolysis is like calling a jackhammer a bad toothpick. This is not because your skin is sensitive. I treated a very sensitive upper lip of a teenage girl today. It may get pink and a little puffy, but goes back to normal in under an hour, and perhaps faster, if you apply an icepack. If it stayed red for a day or two, it's probably normal, but not what you describe by any stretch of imagination.
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#102691 - 11/26/12 04:10 AM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: yb]
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This not at all typical of electrolysis. DO NOT LET THIS PERSON TOUCH YOU EVER AGAIN!! They could in all likelihood make things worse.

Are you in Canada or the USA? Can you post a review for this individual hopefully sparing someone else the same fate!

If you are able, find a reputable dermatologist, I hope there is something that can be done. With that proceed very carefully, you don't want the situation to be made worse.

Also ensure you document everything that has happened, every visit and conversation, including these pictures and consult a good personal injury lawyer.
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#102694 - 11/26/12 05:17 AM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: electrolysislady]
Danika Offline
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There are Really great electrolysists on this forum and it was what influenced me go and try electrolysis treatments. Well, in the real world, let me tell you i have found that there are a great many lousy electrolsysist out there !! In the end simply removing hair with a rotary razor is often better than the risk . Sure it is a hassle but we also need to count our blessing and not give ourselves over to expecting perfection in all the 'docs' derms and spas, who can easily be hack jobs that create even worse problems.
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#102708 - 11/26/12 03:00 PM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: Danika]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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What you see here is what happens when someone has poor vision equipment, and makes their own holes in the skin, then turns up the power to overcompensate for not getting good releases on the hairs.
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#102710 - 11/26/12 03:06 PM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Succinctly said, James, and duly noted.
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#102726 - 11/26/12 09:27 PM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: dfahey]
Londonaye Offline
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Hi curly girl,
Thanks for sharing, am sure this has been really unpleasant. I just wanted to say that I'm surprised your doctor told you to use Retin A when your skin was clearly still healing? Retin A IS great for scars and I loved the results while I was on it (for many years), but its pretty rough on the skin initially and can cause irritation/dryness until the skin adjusts, so not what I would ever put on skin that is still healing from a trauma. I could be wrong, but that's been my experience - just a thought to consider.

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#102728 - 11/26/12 10:00 PM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: Londonaye]
electrolysislady Offline

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Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
Hi curlygirl

I should have said something about aftercare, I apologize. The best product I have found for assisting the healing process is a vitamin A and D ointment. I have seen it in the baby section of stores in the USA, purchase the most pure form with no fragrance. I provide it to my clients as an aftercare product. Use it frequently on the affected area.
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#102729 - 11/26/12 10:05 PM Re: Electrolysis Upper Lip Scars - Horror Story PICS [Re: electrolysislady]
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retin-A (tretinoin/retinoic acid) is the acid form of vitamin A. it increases collagen production in the dermis which is why she was recommended to start using it.
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