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#108956 - 09/11/13 01:43 PM Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy
Michael Bono Offline

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As promised, here are photos of my patient from the UK showing results of the (1-2-3) “Clear & Wait” technique. We are doing the third clearance right now, and at the end of the week I will submit all the details: hours for each clearance and real costs (in dollars).

Points of interest:
1) With a younger client (fellow is 20) who has fully developed terminal hairs (like this guy), the job may look more difficult but is actually easier. The reason he looks so dreadful is that the hairs are not staying in “exogen” for very long (hence the very dense hair). Such is the case with young people. This density gives you the opportunity to zap more visible hairs and thus makes the task easier in the long run.

2) Generally, a case (any age) that looks this bad is also easy and perfect for “Clear & Wait.” Again, as a general rule, the “oh my God” cases are pretty easy. Because this guy never lasered, waxed or shaved, the case is easier to predict.

3) As you can see, the results of the first Clearance were not so good (see photo #2). This is also common with younger “very hairy” people; I expected this and warned the client that he would think “nothing happened.” I also expected GREAT results after the second Clearance … and you can see results were pretty good (photo #3).

5) The most thick and dense areas are the areas that will remain 100% hair-free permanently ... forever. All the terminal hairs have grown in and now there are no more possibilities. (Notice, in the photos, that the most clear areas in photo #3 are the ones that were the most thick and dense to begin with.)

5) With this case, I do not anticipate the need for any “pick-up” sessions afterward. There will be scant hairs after this, but I doubt the guy will see any hairs. After this clearance, he should only consider “pick-up” work 6 months to a year after this final session. (He will be going to Scotland too!)

I hope this helps all my fellow “zapperettes!”

Before Clearing one:


Before Clearing two:



Before Clearing three:

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#108957 - 09/11/13 01:51 PM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: Michael Bono]
Michael Bono Offline

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And yes, the client is pretty happy with the results.

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#108975 - 09/12/13 12:20 AM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: Michael Bono]
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THREE TIMES! ummm, if not because I know the hard work behind this case, I'd say you have a magic wand, Michael.


Yes Sir, Electrolysis is predictable!

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#108979 - 09/12/13 12:52 AM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: ]
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Wont the testosterone in his system mean he will experience moderate regrowth anyway?

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#108981 - 09/12/13 02:00 AM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: SeanaTG]
Michael Bono Offline

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Nope.

Especially in the very hairy areas, this is now a "done deal" for the rest of his life. Why? Because ALL the follicles have now been removed. We don't "grow" new follicles.

There are a few (typical) areas where there are still some "shooters" although these are very tiny and I don't think most will develop. Still, the areas that were super bothersome are going to stay clear. He's actually going to have less hair than the average "hairless" guy. Skin will be like velvet.

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#108982 - 09/12/13 02:50 AM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: Michael Bono]
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What is the breakdown of hours on table per day for a hairy case like this? I'm just curious how the client manages to endure so many hours on table in short period even with pain management since lidoocaine does wear off after 1 or 2 hours.


Edited by fenix (09/12/13 02:51 AM)

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#108991 - 09/12/13 03:10 PM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: fenix]
Michael Bono Offline

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Like I said in the original post, I will put ALL the stats together on Monday (chap goes home on Sunday). I want to expose the unvarnished reality about electrolysis ... for all patients contemplating this "life-altering adventure." This is no "walk in the park!"

I don’t believe in hedging ANY reality … and I think that’s pretty clear (and yes I can be prickly at times … but Dee Dee is helping me in this area. That woman is KIND beyond my understanding. And Jossie? Oh my GOD! These women have changed my life.)

Patients? We watch movies! Watch a movie — get zapped; take a “food break” (LOTS of healthy snacks all day long) … watch another and so on. Netflix is super and often the kids bring their own supply of favorites. “Gone with the Wind” really gets a lot of work done! “Frankly my dear … “

(Actually, picking a movie is the only issue during the session.)

And me? Well, I now have a personal relationship with ADVIL!

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#108994 - 09/12/13 04:22 PM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: Michael Bono]
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Wonderful work, Michael. Do you (or other electrologists) have charts on the average TTTs for different body/facial parts (for both men and women)?

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#109021 - 09/13/13 02:36 PM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: dasha_saf]
Michael Bono Offline

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Oh sure, some of us have TTT charts. Fino Gior posts his TTT chart on his website; check it out.

The thing is, the ONLY TTT chart that is valuable is the one kept by the electrologist you are seeing! If an electrologist has been working for, say 10 years or so, she should create her own TTT chart of the areas she's completed. Most don't do this ... for some unknown reason. Lazy?

It's easy. You go through your files and add up all the hours for each "case type." And, there you have it: YOUR OWN TTT charts and evidence of what you have been doing all these years. You will find that doing this will create several sub-categories and give you greater understanding of your own work too.

When a new clients shows up, you can tell them that: "An average case like yours took "so-and-so." If you feel the case will be more, you can say that and give the client the reasons for this. For example, you might see more-than-average hair, or be working with a young person with hairs not yet visible. And, of course, the “hormone thing.” (But I do NOT buy the proposition that because someone has “hormones” you cannot make ANY determination whatsoever about TTT.)

With an average actual number, and factoring in the variables, this gives the client at least a general idea of time and cost. Are there lots of variable? Yes, of course … however, you do have records that will show YOUR averages. Saying, “oh there are just too many variables for me to make an average,” is a cop out! You have the data … so, look at it!

Saying: “Oh this will take about a year,” means absolutely nothing! Saying: “Oh I do cases like this all the time,” is also a worthless statement.

I think all clients deserve at least some attempt at specificity. Clients never “hold you” to an actual number … but they do appreciate the attempt! (Actually, I have had clients that did not start treatment because they didn't like the averages/costs. But that's fine too!)

But again, TTT charts are ONLY valid when they are your own electrologist’s … not some random chart put together by some random committee or other therapist.

(Now, aren’t you sorry you asked? he he he)

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#109027 - 09/13/13 03:38 PM Re: Example of "Clear & Wait" strategy [Re: Michael Bono]
Michael Bono Offline

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Oh, another "hint" for receptive colleagues:

I always OVER estimate. If I think it will take, say, 10 hours, I will say 15. It always makes a much happier client when you "come in" less than the original estimate.

I HAVE lost clients because of this practice, but that's okay. I REALLY like HAPPY HAPPY clients!

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