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#109074 - 09/14/13 04:41 PM Learning Resource list
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The one thing I've felt is missing here, is a comprehensive list of resources for learning, and it's the aim of this thread to help overcome that. I'm hoping this thread will at somepoint turn into a sticky because of it's importance in putting together in one place, a list of resources that people have found useful in learning.

What I would like to see here is the following:
Links to articles or ebooks that demonstrate the technique and issues that are helpful in learning electrolysis
Links to posts on the forums here or elsewhere, that people have found useful in learning.
Links to some of the resources that the professionals here have developed for their own sites that are useful to the learning electrolysist that may not be listed here
Links to specific youtube videos that are useful in learning technique.
Short descriptions stating what is contained in your link and why it is found useful.

What I'm specifically trying to avoid in this post is general chitchat. I want to try and keep the topics listed here useful, and minimize excessive noise that may reduce the list's usefulness.

One of the sites I have found useful for learning information is Michael Bono's site, specifically his short ebook on the blend method, which is a short condensed version of his full book on the topic.it is located here:
http://bonoelectrolysis.com/English%20GUIDE.pdf
You may also want to look t the "Training"section on his site located here:
http://www.bonoelectrolysis.com/training.htm
I've found that section specifically discussed Telangiectasia which isnt of as much interest to me, but may be to others.
Of specific interest to me is trangender hair removal, as I myself identify as TG and have the hope of specializing in this area at some point. I found some of the informtion here useful:
http://www.transgendercare.com/electrolysis/methods/overview_methods.htm
Also it is worth perusing the main electrolysis guide for tht site located here:
http://www.transgendercare.com/electrolysis/
as it discusses some topics like pain control, electrolysis complications, dangers of electrolysis including high frequency blowout, and information on choosing an electrolysist.Note that I have found at least one of the articles outdated, and inaccurate so be careful of this information source and double check facts elsewhere.

Seana



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#109076 - 09/14/13 05:16 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAAwYGhjcdQ

This video shows insertions performedon the chin. My guess is that they are using thermolysis, as they are proceeding very quickly.It ws designed as part of a refresher course for electrolysists

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#109077 - 09/14/13 05:19 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZxeutoVy4w

this is a similar link to above, but I note it here because in the video you see the root sheath come out on the hair perfectly. Good video on what you should be seeing when you remove the hair.

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#109087 - 09/14/13 08:16 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Information on equipment disinfection and sterilization:
http://beautyschools.org.s166934.gridser...ntEquipment.pdf

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#109088 - 09/14/13 08:31 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Infection control standards for electrology:
http://www.electrology.com/pdf/infection_control.pdf

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#109089 - 09/14/13 09:26 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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An excellent demonstration of the 3 - clearance method and its effect on body hair by Michael Bono.

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads...html#Post108956

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#109090 - 09/14/13 09:48 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Sterex presentation onloading a probe properly into the needle holder:
http://www.sterex.com/News/ViewPodcast.aspx?Podcast=Podcast3
Sterex presentation on multiple needle treatment for galvanic insertion
http://www.sterex.com/Downloads/AutomatedContent/Articles/14Mar2012/MultipleNeedleTechnique.pdf'
Sterex training academy. Lots of good information here:
http://training.sterex.com/Section1.aspx

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#109094 - 09/14/13 11:31 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Hey SeanaTG THANKS!! I LOVE reference/resources and I study best visually (ie. video or life classes)... I appreciate the links! AWESOME! I've already hit EVERY YouTube vid I can find and saved the ones that show technique or explain something well to Favorites so I can go over it and over it again and again.

Being a 'new guy' in this field, I'm pretty much like a 'sponge' right not soaking up whatever information I can get my hands on...(have already read two text books and waiting on a third to arrive)... again, thanks for sharing, I do appreciate it!

Eric

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#109096 - 09/15/13 12:30 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Poohbrmi]
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If you have youtube links, please post them

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#109098 - 09/15/13 03:16 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Here's the ones I have in my Favorites...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtBc3NNgxlk&list=HL1379214214&feature=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpmSsk6JeLg&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6CCuFfffXI&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXkGzpk_07g&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AaKCl8HDmc&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYtUXK1h6M&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAAwYGhjcdQ&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DY-UfCE-uE&list=HL1379214214
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMWtodRqHM

I know there are lots of just 'random clips', but each one shows me something either in technique or it 'inspires' me to understand how to do what I'm seeing and or goal to be able to work like that electrologist. And, as a 'newby' I'm ALWAYS looking to learn more and more to become as proficient as I can in this field. Anyhow... this is most of mine... I know I've seen a few other that I like, I just can't find them on my history list...

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#109377 - 09/26/13 07:11 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Poohbrmi]
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Ontario Canada guidlines on infection control, sterilization proceedures and requirements for electrolysis:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/publichealth/oph_standards/docs/pssp_2008.pdf

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#109449 - 09/29/13 05:38 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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http://hairzapper.com/thermolysis/


This entire page is a huge wake up call and well documented with substantial empirical evidence. I want to thank susan the author for presenting the information in such a complete and well documented manner. This link, is a must read.

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#109459 - 09/30/13 08:47 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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You know what... I would put more of the blame for some of the poor results in the horror pics shown by Ms. Laird on the low quality magnification and lighting which people over compensate for with higher treatment energies (misapplied due to poor insertions due to lack of good vision on where the follicle opening is). Good insertions with appropiate treatment energies don't cause horror stories like these. Of course, it goes to show why I tell home users never to start their amateur career with thermolysis work. The potential devastation is to great.
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#109771 - 10/13/13 12:33 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/109770.html#Post109770

A discussion by Michael bono on the physiology of the root sheath, relative to insertions and extractions. As always, bravo Michael for enlightening us a little further.

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#109778 - 10/13/13 03:49 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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That hairzapper link is terrifying.

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#109788 - 10/14/13 12:08 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Lara07]
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So, you get "terrified" when you tweeze a hair? Now, that’s some “low threshold” angst for sure! I'd better not explain what (actually) happens when you squeeze a pimple or a black head! That could send you into therapy. He he he!


Edited by Michael Bono (10/14/13 12:10 AM)

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#109792 - 10/14/13 02:34 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Michael Bono]
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Thank you smartie pants, but the pictures of the scarring, etc..is what I was talking about regarding the link. smile

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#109793 - 10/14/13 04:30 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Lara07]
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Seana,

I asked Andrea or James if they could make this important thread a sticky in the DIY forum.

I agree that general chit chat should be kept to a minimum here.

Good job researching. It must have taken you a long time to gather all this information.

Dee
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#109796 - 10/14/13 01:56 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: dfahey]
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I just looked back at the website sited: Hairzapper. I’m surprised (and not happy) with Seana’s positive comment; but then this comes from her lack of experience and knowing. And, that’s the danger of the internet. As the saying goes: “Don’t believe everything you read … or see.”

I’m surprised there is no Hairtell condemnation of this site; so let me offer a couple comments.

First, the author is intelligent and presents seemingly “well documented empirical” data. Not so fast.

All of us make the same basic mistake this California electrologist has made: basing conclusions on personal experience. “I ‘seen’ it so I believe it!”

For example, a European is confronted by a fat loud American and concludes that ALL Americans are fat and loud. (Lots of us are, but not all.) A few radical Muslims want to kill people and we conclude that ALL Muslims (all one-billion of them) want to kill people?

I have dozens of photos of scars from laser. Do I then denounce the entire industry as “causing horrible scars?”

The (common) error the author makes is going from a specific to a general. We all do this, but it’s NOT the scientific method! “Empirical” means the scientific method, not “Yellow Journalism sensationalism” as this website provides.

Like the author, I attended Hinkel’s school too (although she was not clear on that). Art introduced me to several patients that had permanent damage from DC-galvanic treatments! Oh, and from thermolysis and blend too. And, that’s the point.

Only ONE of Dee Dee patients, for example, with perfect skin after using her “thermolysis” technique would completely destroy this author’s position. But, is she looking? Has she seen this?

For this website to have real credibility, the author needs to specify the number of patients seen with skin damage, and which exact machine/method was used, AND the actual electrologist involved. (It’s likely that these bad cases were all from ONE bad operator). Science is all about NUMBERS! NOT opinion based on a few observations.

It’s worth repeating: Science is all about NUMBERS! NOT opinion based on a few observations.

Furthermore, this article is silly in that it completely denounces the vast majority of electrologists (since nearly all of us use “thermolysis”). It “just ain’t so!”

I have no doubt this person is doing good work. She seems dedicated. But she cannot condemn the entire world while sitting in her “tiny” world. But that’s exactly what she has done.

Instead of denouncing the “world of electrologists,” she should write a book or manual fully explaining her technique and offer it to the “world of electrology.” The author DOES have excellent explanations (I liked a lot of her site) … but she’s focusing on BAD treatment using thermolysis … not the actual modality itself. (Besides the OLD “Flash Themolysis” is long gone!)

For more than 40 years I have been assaulted with the “my method is better than your method” shit (and it is SHIT!) … and, in the final analysis, that’s what this website is all about.

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#109797 - 10/14/13 02:25 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Michael Bono]
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I did some poking around and found the appropriate "condemnation" by my colleagues. Ditto!

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#109798 - 10/14/13 02:50 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Michael Bono]
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Sometimes I get tired of refuting websites, so I don't put the energy forth to do so, Michael. We have had these discussions before about hairzappers. I have no doubts that Susan Laird is an excellent electrologist, but I don't agree with her comments about thermolysis. I would have ignored this discussion this time, but Michael, you have given me a boost. Here is an example of what many if us thermolysis practitioners churn out using thermolysis:
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These are the end pictures of a woman who presented with a large number of very coarse red hair on her chin, neck and upper lip on 1/9/13. (I can't find her before pictures right now, but I will look for them. I actually lost 180 pictures on my computer a while back, made me sick. I hope hers was not in that batch)

So far, she has had 14 full clearances, 10,861 insertions in 19 hours and 52 minutes, ALL DONE WITH THERMOLYSIS, specifically, Synchro and PicoFlash. If I used my Silhouet-Tone VMC or my Digital Gentronics or an Instantron Elite Spectrum, this still would have been the outcome with thermolysis, as well.

It is month 10 now and she is 90% finished. If you look carefully, you will see a few remaining hairs.

This lady had a beard. She was in tears in January. A laser specialist referred her to me because of her hair color and now she is almost a free from hair, a very happy woman. Thermolysis did this. She will be finished within that 9-18 month window we always talk about. The end game is always predictable.






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#109799 - 10/14/13 03:05 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: dfahey]
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Gorgeous work Dee Dee. YES, we need to show results of excellent treatment all the time, over and over!

Funny thing, the “instant” thermolysis was invented in 1923, the arguments against its use went forth (by multiple users). The basic arguments have not CHANGED! Nearly 100 years and the same old worn-out stories. (Besides, the thermolysis you are using is brilliant ... not your grandmother's "spark gap" zapper!)

Here’s the point. If we actually had 100 years of HORRIBLE treatment (scars and blood oozing) from thermolysis, would this modality still be in use today?

The various drawings presented by the Hairzap thing (or whatever it’s called), was talking about bad treatments. For example, her “overlapping” explanation and drawing was excellent … but, this “overlap” problem could also be done with pure DC-galvanic too.

It’s not about the methodology, it’s about knowing how to remove hair!

Damn it already!

OOOOOPS, my toupee just flew off and stuck to the ceiling! I hate it when that happens! Ha ha ha

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#109805 - 10/14/13 04:39 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: Michael Bono]
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Michel, look here for a response: http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/109802/Resource_List_Chit_Chat.html#Post109802

I'm just trying to keep the discussion to a minimum here, and the links plentiful

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#119481 - 10/01/15 09:51 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Well as of this month, it has been 2 years since this thread was updated by me. Unfortunately it never made it to "sticky" status . However I still think it a valuable thing to have. In that time however, as often happens in hairtell and all over the internet too, things change. Many of the original links in this thread are now dead links. Some have relocated to other places, some are now gone forever, and if the information isnt held on this site in it's entirety then we have zero control over it. I'm communicating with the board's owner about possibly having this thread brought up to date and cleaned up, but I dont know yet if that will be possible.So...watch this space, and shortly when I have a little bit more time, and the ability to do so, I'll be making some changes to the content . Hopefully it will regain it's original purpose.

Seana
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#119483 - 10/02/15 07:28 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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I located anewer version of the electrolysis training guide from sterex, this is now located here:
http://www.sterex.com/learning-resources


Seana
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#119484 - 10/02/15 07:33 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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#119485 - 10/02/15 08:52 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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One of my favourite resources!

The blog at follikill.com contains a number of articles on electrolysis, times of treatment, learning resources , skin reactions , an a number of other topics. If you take the time to go back through the various links on the right for month/year you will find a number of valuable contributions to electrolysis education . Rea who writes and maintains the blog, is one of the people I depend on for accurate and professional information, and in my opinion is one of ths countries top electrologists. I'm proud to include her blog in this list. It can be found here:

http://www.follikill.com/blog/


You may even find a comment or two by yours truly!


Seana


Edited by Iluv2zap (10/02/15 08:54 AM)
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#119491 - 10/02/15 11:27 AM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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I'd like to mention, that if you are posting links to this thread, we need to have more information that just the link itself, and this is especially true of youtube threads. Often a resource will disappear at some point, and I've taken on the task of maintaining the thread as to accuracy . So if possible, for example with a youtube link please tell us:

The link
The title on the video
A general description of what the content is.

Often web sites move content around or make changes. If a link goes dead we have to have something to go on to determine if it's gone forever, has been moved somewhere else, etc. If all we have is a link that doesnt exist anymore, we dont have any alternative but to just remove the post because it doesnt exist anymore. If we have this information it gives me something to go by to search upon to determine if it's been moved somewhere else.Thank you!


Seana


Edited by Iluv2zap (10/02/15 11:31 AM)
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#119539 - 10/06/15 03:14 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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This list is now being maintained here:
http://electrolysisinfo.canadian-forum.com/t19-the-learning-resource-thread#41

For all updates ( and to avoid dead links) you should now look there.

Seana
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#119540 - 10/06/15 04:11 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Did you create this forum board on the link Seana ?

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#119542 - 10/06/15 04:37 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Quite some time ago last fall I think. I've used it on occasion to post stuff when hairtell was having technical issues, or to maintain things that periodically have to be edited ( such as links that may change or need to be updated).I dont run the media company that hosts it, nor the software it runs on, but I manage the electrolysisinfo forum . I've never believed in keeping all of ones eggs, in the same basket.
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#119825 - 11/02/15 09:34 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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Credit for this link goes to my partner nightfrost who came upon it. Lots of good reading and explanations in here.

Start here on electrolysis:
http://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/bcb/electrolysis.php


Then continue here on thermolysis and the blend:

http://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/ded/thermolysis.php


The learning resource master list is located here:

http://electrolysisinfo.canadian-forum.com/t19-the-learning-resource-thread#41

Seana
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#120752 - 01/29/16 05:18 PM Re: Learning Resource list [Re: SeanaTG]
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On page 2 of this thread I reference a link to the ontario ministry of health for infection control standards in personal service settings located here:
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/publichealth/oph_standards/docs/pssp_2008.pdf

This link is no longer available.The document is heavily referenced throughout the province in regional health departments and used actively by municipal departments of health to guideline health inspections for electrologists.

The link has only recently become invalid.I did find a mirrored copy of this resource located here:

https://www.peelregion.ca/health/pss/pdfs/PSSP%202008%20final_posted%20_Jan%2022-09_.pdf

I also have saved a copy I can forward to anyone if need arises.

or I have a copy. This document contains critical information that is relevant to all electrologists in ontario in regards to health inspections, autoclave testing, sterile instrument (probe) sourcing ( and logging) and disinfectant proceedures and methods. It is exactly this document that local health authorities in ontario guideline by to perform health inspections and post them online.


The document is also highly referenced in this article:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/progr...al_services.pdf

I do not know why the original guidelines document is not available, it is possible it is currently being updated.

Seana
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