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#111057 - 12/06/13 05:50 AM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Michael Bono]
dfahey Offline

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I have never experienced this skin side effect until recently.



Arm before treatment:



Arm after three weeks:

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#111066 - 12/06/13 04:20 PM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: dfahey]
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Thanks for this fine photo Dee Dee,

Yep, these look like common papules. The interesting reality is there is no clear way to absolutely predict these, or other post-treatment manifestation as well. All of these disappear in every case, of course, because they are part of the normal healing process.

I think it’s wonderful and admirable … a “kiss” for Dee Dee … that we are showing clients the sometimes downside reality of electrolysis treatments. Sure, a nice perfect “before & after” will always get us new clients and make us look good. However, what people are looking for now, on the internet, is REAL unembellished reality of what they can expect from treatments.

Every now and then there will appear some post about “How Great Thou Art” from a client (or even a “selfie”). All of this literally makes me physically sick. I few times clients wanted to go on Hairtell to say, “How wonderful I am.” My reaction was … “Don’t you DARE ever do anything like that!” YUCK!

Further to the point: Those wonderful “before & after” shots of face-lifts and hair transplants? Sure, YES, you will look super … after the healing takes place. But seriously, a post-op face-lift patient (or hair transplant) looks like a character from a horror film. (I’m caring for one of Chapple’s face-lifts on Wednesday. Maybe I’ll take some photos if she will allow it? I mean, nobody will recognize her anyway "balloon face.")

I wish people would show EVERYTHING involved in every treatment. Actually, the miniscule post-treatment “stuff” that electrolysis causes is virtually nothing, compared to most other surgical procedures.

This “show me” direction is good for Hairtell. It’s going to keep me posting here and I sincerely believe MORE potential clients will jump-in, with the resulting effect: MORE people seeking electrolysis.

The internet generation is VERY savvy and is looking for STRAIGHT answers to their questions. Show it all, and I intend to continue doing this! Ever notice that posts with a real photo gets 10 times the readership. Wanna guess why?

I would LOVE to see a separate section created on Hairtell called “SHOW ME!” YEAH!


Edited by Michael Bono (12/06/13 04:22 PM)

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#111068 - 12/06/13 05:10 PM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Michael Bono]
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I appreciate the honesty, it is hard to hear that I could potentially be spending more and more money, and doing this longer than 18 months (potentially for life?). I just hope it is worth it in the end, and I don't end up still shaving like a man, with all that wasted $$, and with a face that looks worse than it ever did before treatments. I wonder how often that happens to women with "hormone" issues like you state. frown

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#111069 - 12/06/13 07:41 PM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Lara07]
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I will let my colleagues answer your questions because they have WAY more experience than I with this issue.

I will say that most of my (former) female clients spent very little money on their treatments compared to what my average man spends.

I’d like to ask you how much you've spent so far? Count it up and let’s talk about this.

Money is important and should not be a forbidden subject. (I never understood the reluctance to talk about REAL costs of … well, everything.)

When I get a new client, that’s the first thing I talk about … because that’s what they want to know! How much, how long and will this work?

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#111070 - 12/06/13 08:22 PM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Lara07]
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I also super appreciate the straightforward honest goods that come from Michael.

I BELIEVE in electrolyisis ( and still do ) .Ive seen my sister's eyebrows done and and all the incredible work shown on this forum , but my honest experience so far backs what Michael describes.

I am not menopausal and my hormones are not out of wack and I can tell you that I have already spend MANY MANY hours and LOTS of money on just a small sideburn area of my face and it is still coming back for more zapping! And i dont really have that much hair. Ive seen far worse cases on this site !

Granted not all zappers out there are as pro as the ones on this board so that may be the reason, however the general truth seems to be that, especially if you are not CERTAIN you are seeing a VERY GOOD ELECTROLYSIST , ( and one may only discover the answer to that only AFTER much time and money has been spent) , it WILL be a long and costly job to do ! Just sayin!

PS. If it is possible for you, you could at least reduce your chances, by seeing one of the pros on this forum that do work on womens face ???


Edited by Danika (12/06/13 09:06 PM)
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LASER- over 1+yr. Pleasantly surprised with results. No future sessions. Need to live with/in sun.
ELECTROLYSIS- Scammed by the one in my town. Whenever possible, while traveling out of town,I try to get electrolysis on face. Very Challenging overall due to lack of professionals available .Many treatments done on only a tiny area of my face yet there still seems to be alot of hair growing there. Seems an impossible dream at this point frown




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#111071 - 12/06/13 08:49 PM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Danika]
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Michael, I was so glad to see your papules picture. Honestly, I had NEVER had this kind of reaction on a client before (upper arms) , but then again, not many women of East Indian decent have requested hair removal in this area. It is usually face, neck and trunk that we tackle. I knew this was not infection (pustules) as it was waxy in appearance. So, I reasoned with my client that this was coming from the sebaceous gland, thinking the electrolysis overexcited the gland in the healing process. There were some very, very thin hairs mixed in with some of the bumps, but she did have laser reduction on her upper arms prior to electrolysis and I reasoned that the laser made the hair too thin and weak to push through the skin.

All this was so distressing to her. First, the laser stimulated more hair to grow on the places she had treated and then the electrolysis caused these waxy bumps that persisted for longer than I predicted.

On a happier note, she did get a substantial refund back from her laser treatments. The place of business was very cooperative. Perhaps all $8,000? She can speak to that if she adds to this thread.

I alerted her to your pictures , Michael. She offered to come on Hairtell to add to this thread and I have encouraged her to do so. She is so relieved to see your pictures. Thank you so much!
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#111074 - 12/07/13 01:47 AM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: dfahey]
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Yep, these papules are not all that common. I don’t see them that often either … but, when I see something new or unusual I get excited about it. (How sad really, a person that gets excited over a “pimple!” I need counseling. Oh, I had it ... didn't work!)

Usually I see these papules on guys with pretty "oily" skin ... I suppose the excess sebum mixes with and “adheres to” the desquamated (destroyed) follicle material that is emerging from the follicle. Maybe the excess sebum acts like glue keeping the normal exfoliating stuff from being easily sloughed off. As the epidermis immediately covers the opening ... well, there it is: that little "pearl of a papule." That’s my take on it anyway. Dr. Chapple thinks that's the deal too.

I’m super glad I could help, as y'all can imagine. We zapperettes and zapperinis “live for” helping our “kids” get to their goal of total freedom from HAIR!


Edited by Michael Bono (12/07/13 01:48 AM)

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#111075 - 12/07/13 04:04 AM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Michael Bono]
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It's a little depressing to think about but I've been doing this since around mid May and have probably spent over 2k, potentially more if I seriously go back and look.

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#111077 - 12/07/13 06:04 AM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: Lara07]
dfahey Offline

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Are these the before pictures, Michael?





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Licensed by the State Medical Board of Ohio for Nursing license and Cosmetic Therapy/Electrolysis license
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http://www.electrolysis.co.uk/?page_id=16

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#111080 - 12/07/13 07:52 AM Re: "Aftermath" of electrolysis [Re: dfahey]
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Dee, How long did your clients skin take to fully recover? I have seen something similar, but not the same as this reaction. This is a great thread, thank you Michael and Dee.
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