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#111281 - 12/19/13 03:58 PM What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why??
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Could somebody be kind enough and explain this to me frown ?

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#111283 - 12/19/13 08:02 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I am reading and this came up.

"Do NOT ignore this advice! If you say your hair is thick, use 20ms or max, 10ms. NOT 3ms."

So if you have thick coarse hair you should use higher ms??

Any experts want to chime in??

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#111298 - 12/20/13 03:49 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Pulse width is exactly what it sounds like -- it's the length of time between pulses of the laser. So the laser fires, but it fires multiple pulses at a time and the time between those firings is the time listed. So 3ms means the time between the pulses is faster. That's usually the lowest a machine can go, so the goal is that it heats up the hair quickly and prevents the hair from "cooling down". So lower pulse width makes it more likely to kill the hair -- on darker skin however, that low pulse width tends to be a lot less safer since it'll be heating up the skin surrounding it too. That's why generally 20ms is the lowest recommended setting on darker skin

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#111299 - 12/20/13 05:43 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: Brenton]
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I was under the impression Hertz was the amount of pulses.

1hz= 1 pulse per second
1.5hz = 1.5 pulse per second
2 hz= 2 pulse per second.

Pulse width or duration selection is dependent on the TRT, or thermal relaxation time of a structure. When treating hair, you should notice that hairs will have different diameters. The greater the diameter, the longer the thermal relaxation time, thus the longer pulse duration being required.

In other words

3 ms finer hair
10 ms is thicker coarser hair

That is why most start at 20 ms or 10 ms the first couple of treatments and then go to 5ms or 3 ms as hair becomes thinner.

I guess I just answered my question but I did read up after I posted and wanted to share the results.

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#111300 - 12/20/13 06:20 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I suppose what I wrote was slightly confusing in that regard. Hertz is how quickly the laser is allowed to fire. The pulse width determines how quickly the area gets heated. When the laser fires, it's not just one blast but several spaced so many milliseconds apart.

Most laser techs I've been to start at the lowest possible pulse width for pale skin, not "working their way down"

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#126113 - 03/26/18 11:03 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Brenton, what you're talking about is 'multiple synchronized pulsing' described here. Pulse width is the time the laser is ON, not the time between pulses. Some laser models use only one pulse, while others use 2 to 5 successive pulses where each pulse is on for "pulse width" ms, then off for a longer delay. In this image, pulse width is 5ms, delay is 20ms.

But you are correct that pulse width determines how quickly an area is heated. My understanding is at any particular setting, say 10J, the 10J of fluence is spread over the pulse width. Whether pulse width is 3ms or 20ms, you still only get 10J of fluence delivered, but at 20ms the energy is delivered more slowly. Spreading the energy over a longer time period helps let skin cool while the hair heats up. Hairs tend to both heat and cool more slowly than skin, especially coarse hairs.

The Hz setting on some machines refers to how quickly the entire treatment is repeated. So a setting of 1 Hz would repeat the 2-5 pulses of 5ms on, 20ms off every 1 second for as long as you hold the trigger down. I assume that feature is useful for experts who can hold the trigger and cleanly move the target to the next spot to treat every second. I don't understand why machines go up to 10Hz (10 treatments per second) because I can't see anyone being able to move the target so quickly with any accuracy. I guess maybe if you just slide it down a leg at a very precise speed then the 10Hz setting might roughly work out.


Edited by Janna (03/26/18 11:13 PM)

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#126117 - 03/27/18 03:24 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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There are things to consider, principally:

-- Wavelenghts (nm)
The laser wavelength for deep, thick & dark hair roots should be 1064nm (Nd:YAG); but it won't be effective for shallower hair roots.
The laser with wavelength of 755 nm (Alexandrite) & 800-900 nm (Diode) work effectively with shallower, thinner & lighter hair roots.
Many IPLs & Lasers with other wavelengths do not work effectively to retard hair growth. So before you pay, ask the therapist what wavelength they use to remove your hairs? Because if your hairs root deeply, energy form lasers & IPLs with shorter wavelengths won't reach your hair roots; vice versa shallower hair roots won't respond well to lasers with longer wavelengths

-- Skin colours
Nd:YAG is suitable for all skin types, but Alexandrite & Diode are safe to be used for Fitzpatrick Skin Type 1, 2 & 3 only.
Very dark-skinned individuals need to have a laser with a longer wavelength. The longer wavelength is needed so as not to have the laser energy preferentially absorbed by the top layer of skin as would occur with the shorter wavelength laser. The longer wavelength penetrates deeper and will target the deeper dark pigment decreasing the risk of blisters or burns on the surface.

-- Natural Hair Colours
See => https://www.facebook.com/upweylaser/posts/586060421734589

-- Density & diameter your dark hair roots
The treatments are most effective on dense, thick, coarse & dark hair roots because they have a lot of pigment and can absorb a lot of heat. Sparse, fine hairs cannot absorb much heat. Thus, LHR lose efficacy on very thin or vellus hairs.

-- Pulse Duration
Laser devices operate as continuous wave or pulsed systems (e.g. single or repetitive‑pulsed lasers). Examples of multi-pulsed (in other word, repetitive-pulsed) laser devices are Short Pulsed, Long Pulsed and Q-switched for different treatment purposes. But long-pulsed lasers in 755, 800-900 & 1064 nm have proved to be effective to reduce hairs permanently.

Q-switched & other short-pulsed lasers which emit much shorter pulses won't do anything to your hairs except bleaching hair colors. Both the amount, density & size of your hairs will remain exactly the same. Remember! Once hair roots get bleached, IPL & Laser won't work on lighter hairs 😭.

( http://www.bodylanguage.net/thermal-relaxation-times/ )

-- Fluence (J/cm^2), Spot Size (mm) & Repetition Rate (Hz) to be applied are according to different recommendations among different brands.
In general, the smaller the spot size the higher the fluence.
Settings can be increased or decreased depending on the previous results and clients' feelings during different sessions.
Rule of thump: Look for perifollicular edema which should appear few minutes after firing

-- Phase of the hair growth cycle
Laser & IPL can only target the anagen.

At any given time, not all hairs are in the anagen phase.Therefore, multiple treatments are required to achieve the optimal appearance.

Timing between treatments is very important for optimal results with laser hair removal. It is important to pay for treatments one by one vs paying for packages of laser services up front. Different areas of the body have different hair growth cycles. In order to catch the most hair in the active cycle (or anagen phase) during your laser hair removal sessions, treatments should be scheduled according to the hair growth cycles.

In general, the best way to approach this is to use the regrowth of hair in the treated area as your guide... in other words, when a significant percentage of the hair starts growing back, return for the next treatment.
It could be as short as 4-6 weeks on the face, and as long as 8-12 weeks (or longer) for the legs. Bikini, chest, back, underarms, stomach etc. should be scheduled every 6-8 weeks, as for examples. These are different among different individuals.

Typically 6-8 sessions for each certain body area are recommended to catch each cycle of hair growth, although some people may be satisfied with their results sooner. Some may require more sessions. Following these guidelines should result in the greatest reduction of hair.

However, once desired results are achieved, many people come back annually for 1-2 treatment maintenance sessions. While in the maintenance phase, the ideal time to get a touch-up session is when you notice there are times when hair growth seems to be more aggressive. This is, as hair in the active growth phase is most effectively targeted.
Another recommended alternative would be to START WITH LASER treatment. Multiple laser sessions will be required. Once desired results are achieved by laser, then you may choose to FINISH WITH ELECTROLYSIS. This is the fastest way to achieve the optimal appearance (be it total removal or just thinning of the hair).
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#126122 - 03/27/18 07:42 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Your question is regarding how long each laser shot/firing is allowed to work on you. There are few terms for this meaning such as Pulse Duration or Pulse Width. The longer pulse duration is for the thicker/bigger hair diameter. Longer pulse shouldn't be used for thinner hairs to prevent damage to adjacent tissue


Edited by melb_aussie (03/27/18 07:44 AM)
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#126132 - 03/28/18 07:46 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Originally Posted By melb_aussie
Your question is regarding how long each laser shot/firing is allowed to work on you. There are few terms for this meaning such as Pulse Duration or Pulse Width. The longer pulse duration is for the thicker/bigger hair diameter. Longer pulse shouldn't be used for thinner hairs to prevent damage to adjacent tissue

Don't some laser machines have fixed pulse widths...like 3 or 5ms? Would that make them less effective on thicker hair?

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#126144 - 03/29/18 09:01 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Hi Joben,

Pulse width isn't the only setting parameter of the laser device.
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#126147 - 03/30/18 08:00 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Originally Posted By melb_aussie
Hi Joben,

Pulse width isn't the only setting parameter of the laser device.
What do you mean?

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#126567 - 05/11/18 11:25 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Hi Joben,

The pulse width isn't the only setting parameter, there r fluence & repetition of the firing of laser pulses (Hz) in order to raise the temperature of hair shaft & the colourless follicle upto the degree that can coagulate them. Nothing beat the simple basic fact (scientific knowledge)
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#126572 - 05/12/18 07:47 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Originally Posted By melb_aussie
Hi Joben,

The pulse width isn't the only setting parameter, there r fluence & repetition of the firing of laser pulses (Hz) in order to raise the temperature of hair shaft & the colourless follicle upto the degree that can coagulate them. Nothing beat the simple basic fact (scientific knowledge)

I know, but in your previous post you said "Longer pulse shouldn't be used for thinner hairs to prevent damage to adjacent tissue." If a machine has a fixed pulse width of 3-5ms (versus an adjustable pulse width) wouldn't that make the machine unsuitable for thinner hairs?


Edited by joben (05/12/18 07:48 AM)

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#126694 - 05/18/18 12:24 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Hi Joben,

Since Fluence can't b compared among different brands of laser devices so some brands require only 3-5ms. Some brands required 60-80ms for lower fluence to work longer.
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#126695 - 05/18/18 12:25 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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So please read my rule of thumb & this =>
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/126554/Laser_Hair_Removal:_Which_sett.html#Post126554


Edited by melb_aussie (05/18/18 12:27 PM)
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#126704 - 05/19/18 07:59 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Originally Posted By melb_aussie
So please read my rule of thumb & this =>
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/126554/Laser_Hair_Removal:_Which_sett.html#Post126554

I read that post that you linked above and I agree with everything you wrote. The problem is finding a good laser tech that will actually use high enough settings. I've had LHR a few times and all but once I'm usually pleading with the tech to use more aggressive settings.

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#126705 - 05/19/18 10:29 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Good article Melb Aussie!

Although I've not had the opportunity, I've thought about the way therapists often combine electrolysis and laser: "laser first and then follow-up with electrolysis."

I'd do the reverse: One fast clearance with electrolysis (body hair with local anesthetic ... to go super-fast) and then, when the hairs return in a couple months (all in anagen); then laser.

In this way, the laser would be targeting only anagen hairs AND they would be nicely thinned-out (say at least 50% reduction) so that higher laser energy could be used without causing too much pain. I don't know if anyone has tried this; I would. (The "catch" of course is the requirement for a very fast body technique ... cleared-off in a couple day's work ... and local anesthetic.)

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#126710 - 05/20/18 04:24 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Honestly, if I found an electrologists who could work fast enough to do a body clearing in a few days with local anaesthetic, I would be continuing with that electrologist for subsequent clearings despite the higher cost and time commitment (in terms of hours spent with the electrologist).

At that point, I'd be too concerned about elongating the process by introducing laser. Even though the hairs treated would be anagen, a considerable amount probably wouldn't respond effectively to laser, but they would still shed from the follicle and I would have to wait for their cycle to return.

I might save money, but it would be at the cost of elongating the whole treatment by a year maybe. Perhaps my understanding is flawed, so please feel free to correct me.

I did laser first anyway, and now electrolysis, and I'm pleased with the results of both, and more so the results of electrolysis. I still have laser done on areas that I can't yet treat with electrolysis due to time and money. I doubt I'll receive any more permanent results from laser, but the temporary result is far better than waxing and the cost is about the same when considering I can wait longer between laser appointments.


Edited by Scurvy (05/20/18 04:41 AM)

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#126711 - 05/20/18 09:15 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Hi Joben,
Please note that the "rule of thumb" won't appear as soon as the laser beam/pulses hit you, but few minutes or longer after that => That's one of the reasons to do the test patching to find the right energy for different individuals.
Make sure you don't feel the heat (u may still feel warm a second or 2) as soon as the laser pulses moved away from that treated area. The heat should go away as soon as the pulse moved away from that treated spot => Otherwise burn.

To my dear & well respected Michael,
I'm looking towards for training until you have got better & gain back your health & strength. So that I'll trial & error your proposal.

Hi Scurvy, I'm working on it in order to gain faster speed with my Electrolysis Skills.


Edited by melb_aussie (05/20/18 09:21 AM)
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#126712 - 05/20/18 11:00 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Might be up for some "experimentation" as my eye "sinks slowly in the West?" Got a client in Adelaide and Melbourne ... ready for the third pass (and the long flight over here). I'll do some emailing to the "dudes," ... "mates?" ... "blokes?"

Hairy backs ...

Eye surgery on Tuesday, if I don't chicken-out (I want to). A gross procedure with high risk. I mean, I'm happy to be a one-eyed pirate ("hee-yarrr"); but a one-eyed electrologist probably wouldn't be advisable. "Cyclops-electrology?" "the Braille Institute of hair removal?" Ugh!

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#126713 - 05/20/18 01:04 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I am skeptical if that experiment would work. I too had many failed laser treatments which did not make things better but worse. It was only until I started electrolysis that I saw real change. Still I guess you never know until you actually do some experimentation.

So Michael I am curious as to how you use local anesthesia for large areas? I sometimes use local on myself but it only covers a small area. Which is great because it is completely painless in those areas but for larger regions you would need some sort of regional block? I'm also dental hygienist so I am really only familiar with blocks associated in the mouth. Which there are two that are great for the numbing the lip and chin region.

Also good luck on your surgery, I hope everything goes well please keep us updated.

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#126714 - 05/20/18 02:27 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I will be doing videos on this subject (long overdue). Infiltration, not a block. Actually, the only area I won't do with local is the upper lip. I have a lot to say ... eventually.

I won't get into a discussion on this procedure because such topics don't lend themselves to snippets of information and comments.

Thanks for the good cheer ... I'm getting nervous. Hope they give me a LOT of Versed! I don't want to see those big needles (3 of them) in my eye. YIKES!

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#126715 - 05/20/18 05:53 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Hello atticusfata, i would like to tell you something, I was the perfect candidat for LHR and I have undergone more than twenty laser treatment. It is a lot and I don’t wish anybody to undergo this process. It was a very sad because the result were not permanent at all. The hairs became thinner a bit but this is all I can say. I received Alexandrite laser and Yag laser with the same disappointing result. It is not that I don’t believe in laster hair removal, the fact is that being the perfect candidat in term of skin color and hair color and texture and having a no permanent, is what I can call a proof that this technology doesn’t provide PERMANENT hair removal. It means that’s the treated follicles were intact after all this treatments. In my opinion this is not worth it based on facts with differents clinics and operators.

I do think laser hair removal, diode laser etc is very good for TEMPORARY hair removal without the disadvantages of waxing(ingrown hairs for some people, irritations.) the problem with this technology is the price and the false ads that come with LHR. IMHO, LHR should be marketed as a temporary solutions without the problematic effects that other temporary solutions for hair removal carries.


Edited by Roselake21 (05/20/18 05:54 PM)

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#126716 - 05/20/18 07:08 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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Roselake, your comments are most interesting to me. The electrologists are "sitting" on a mountain of discontent (and astounding possibilities); they just don't realize it ... or understand where their practices should be located.

Over the years, I've experienced five physicians (and three med-spas) enthusiastically put laser hair removal in their practices. After 5-years, the lasers were quietly and unceremoniously removed; all of them so far. (Five years seems to be the "average.") Only Dr. Perkin's "Evolutions" may be the final hold out ... but I'm not 100% sure of it.

I have no particular opinion on this, I'm only reporting real numbers that might cause a person to make their own conclusions. I don't, other possibilities might come into play; not just "it didn't work."

Still, there are a number of reasons why having electrolysis in a medical spa, or plastic surgeon's office, makes good sense (not for the electrologist, or the hair removal patient ... but for the spa AND the physician). More to come: video stuff with corroborative data ... for sure.

Physicians and Spa owners make decisions based on business ... so far they haven't seen "the 'thermolysis' light."

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#126718 - 05/21/18 08:07 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: Roselake21]
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Originally Posted By Roselake21
Hello atticusfata, i would like to tell you something, I was the perfect candidat for LHR and I have undergone more than twenty laser treatment. It is a lot and I don’t wish anybody to undergo this process. It was a very sad because the result were not permanent at all. The hairs became thinner a bit but this is all I can say. I received Alexandrite laser and Yag laser with the same disappointing result. It is not that I don’t believe in laster hair removal, the fact is that being the perfect candidat in term of skin color and hair color and texture and having a no permanent, is what I can call a proof that this technology doesn’t provide PERMANENT hair removal. It means that’s the treated follicles were intact after all this treatments. In my opinion this is not worth it based on facts with differents clinics and operators.

I do think laser hair removal, diode laser etc is very good for TEMPORARY hair removal without the disadvantages of waxing(ingrown hairs for some people, irritations.) the problem with this technology is the price and the false ads that come with LHR. IMHO, LHR should be marketed as a temporary solutions without the problematic effects that other temporary solutions for hair removal carries.

I'm sorry you've had this experience. Without seeing you or knowing the details my initial thought is you weren't treated correctly. I've had LHR 3 times the first being almost 7 years ago and the hair is still gone. Unless there is something about your physiology that prevents hair from being permanently destroyed. Did you go to the same clinic for all 20 treatments?

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#126723 - 05/21/18 01:23 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I have been to different clinics. LHR 3 times won’t provide a permanent result as You need 5-6 times to be temporary hair free for a period of time. LHR is not approved by the FDA for permanent hair removal. Electrolysis is.

There is no way I have been incorrectly treated as I have been to dermatologists, cosmetics clinics well known in my city.

LHR only provide a reduction by MINIATURIZATION of the hairs follicles. Electrolysis destroy completely the cells responsible for the growth of the hairs.

My advice is that if you want destroys your hair permanently, you should not consider Laser Hair removal because this technology miniaturize the hairs and make them less visible because they are thinner but when reach another hairs cycle, the hairs will regrowth the same than if you didn’t do anything. This is how LRH works.

Regarding your case I would love to see before and after pictures. It would be very interesting to see what happened to your hairs with LRH.

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#126727 - 05/22/18 08:01 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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I wasn't clear. I've had LHR on 3 different areas. Each area receiving 6 treatments. I know it's not approved by FDA for permanent hair removal. I do think that occasional touch ups might be needed depending on the individual. I like to say that LHR is long-term hair reduction. The areas that I had treated still have hair, but it's 70-90% less which is fine with me. I don't need to be 100% hairless.

Also, just because you went to a dermatologist office doesn't indicate you were treated with optimum laser settings or the correct laser. Maybe you were and maybe you weren't. There are good techs and bad techs everywhere.


Edited by joben (05/22/18 08:02 AM)

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#126728 - 05/22/18 12:16 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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After LHR treatments, many people do have fantastic results, and many others have very poor results. It's tempting to bias our own experiences and the similar experiences of others, but the proof is out there that LHR can be effective, but it is also unfortunately unreliable when observing trends. This could be for several reasons, which I won't go into.

The FDA considers both LHR (certain laser manufacturers) and electrolysis to be permanent. The contention is between removal and reduction rather than permanency. There is no miniaturisation of the hair follicle and hairs don't become thinner. The thinner hairs that were covered by thicker hairs previously become more obvious. Therefore a hair is either permanently removed or it isn't.

By all means, criticism of LHR for various reasons is very fair, but we can't get into the science of how and why it does or doesn't work and for whom, because a lot of the explanations that come up are patently unscientific.

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#126745 - 05/24/18 09:44 AM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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If a treatment works it is because of scientifics reasons. If it doesn’t works there are also reasons and saying that we can’t develop is not ok IMHO. Electrolysis always works on good hands. Laser hair removal doesn’t often work on many hands. Laser hair removal is not as dependent of the ability of the laser practitioner than electrolysis is. The settings needs to be correctly adjusted. There are differents settings adjustable to treat thin or coarse hair on differents skin complexion. That’s it. If someone is treated with laser with white skin and black hairs( perfect combination for LHR)and if it doesn’t works with the settings approved by the manufacturers (candela) and other higher settings approved and tested by dermatologist on publication, there is only one answer: Laser hair removal can’t kill the hairs. That’s a fact.
And Yes there is miniaturization of the hair follicles. And no the hair is not permanently distroyed.

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#126772 - 05/26/18 01:53 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By Michael Bono


Thanks for the good cheer ... I'm getting nervous. Hope they give me a LOT of Versed! I don't want to see those big needles (3 of them) in my eye. YIKES!


So did you get the surgery on Tuesday, Mike? If so, did it go well? Will you still be able to perform electroepilation?

If not, are you still planning on getting the surgery in the future?

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#126773 - 05/26/18 01:59 PM Re: What is better?? 10ms or 3ms and why?? [Re: jcarbon2]
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His official title now is up for debate, I'm rooting for popeye or Eegor. So yes the surgery went smoothly.
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