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#116782 - 01/02/15 12:21 PM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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Can you give me a diameter of the larger part of the cone ?
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#116783 - 01/02/15 03:56 PM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Laurier]
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If the large part does not exceed .007" I can probably do that. I'll need the diameter and length of the smaller part also. You can use the exposed tip of one of our larger sizes for a measuring stick to measure the length of the smaller tip under the scope.
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#116784 - 01/03/15 10:17 AM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Laurier]
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I've missed your post Mike, I've been luxuriating in a post-holiday stupor (all visitors and friends are gone! No rotten kids running amok and pulling off my toupee!)

I'd get a hold of Ballet TCS and TCM sizes to have a look-see at tapered needles that are almost appropriate (for most uses). However, I wouldn't waste your time trying to produce these "lovelies."

Those using tapered needles are in "decline" as are those using blend and manual thermolysis. The next decade is "the Dectro decade" for sure as all the other manufacturers (save Instantron) have opted-out ... given in ... "tummied-up." The cowards!

I would suggest sticking to your insulated needle and not waste your time on a product that is mostly misunderstood, not used and in decline.

I hate to say this; but I'm a realist!

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#116785 - 01/03/15 10:36 AM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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I'm a fairly new electrologist and while I use an Apilus machine (mostly since I liked them better than the other machines I've played with), I'm all for experimenting with different probes and techniques.

Based on what you've posted and my own background that includes some electrical engineering and medical knowledge, I'd certainly have some interest in trying out non-insulated tapered probes. Having tried insulated probes from Ballet, Protec and Laurier, I definitely prefer the Laurier probes.

That said, I mostly use insulated probes for comfort when sensitivity is an issue, as I feel non-insulated probes offer a better heat profile to the follicle, particularly if the bulge is further away from the papilla. If a pull tapered probe can enhance that further, I'm definitely interested, particularly with the amount of trans faces I do.
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#116786 - 01/03/15 10:49 AM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: EmancipatedElect]
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I do make custom Probes for folks Michael. It probably wouldn't make it to the product list but I'd be glad to make you some if I can have some dimensions. Do you have even a used one you could tape to a sheet of paper and mail to me ?
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#116787 - 01/03/15 10:54 AM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: EmancipatedElect]
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I would order the two sizes I mentioned above from Ballet (TCS and TCM). These work pretty well for beard cases. Actually, it's with the really gigantic hairs (follicles) that the tapered needles are superior ... and, for the exact reasons you state.

I can't tell you how PLEASED I am to hear your understanding of the follicle, i.e., the location of the bulge in relationship to the "anchor." (And in a longer follicle, "exactly where the bulge is" becomes a BIG issue. With a bare needle ... no problema.)

I watched a video yesterday and the electrologist was STILL only "hammering on" about the papilla (only). And, yes, the "anagen only" shite too. So many of "us" don't have a clue.

I will also say that those working with the TG community always seem to end up being the BEST electrologists! If they are TG themselves ... well, they seem (to me) to be at the very TOP of the list of superior operators.

I suppose "being there" gives one desire to get-it-right ... it's not just a hobby or part of the "beauty trade."

For example, I am now 75% finished with a beard case (average moderate beard). We are at 34 hours now, and this case will "come in" less than 60 hours total (that's my average over all these years). I don't think that's a bad average for beard work ... using my "slow method."

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#116788 - 01/03/15 10:56 AM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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Mike Roy ... I pray every day that there are more "guys" in the field like you!

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#116838 - 01/08/15 06:51 PM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Bono

For example, I am now 75% finished with a beard case (average moderate beard). We are at 34 hours now, and this case will "come in" less than 60 hours total (that's my average over all these years). I don't think that's a bad average for beard work ... using my "slow method."


Impressive. Although i am becoming more and more efficient (faster and at the same time needing less energy) there is still some learning for me to get there... (i am actually looking forward to seeing outcomes of 70-80 hours).

But You are aware that beside You there are pretty few electrologists, especially blend specialists, who are able to work that fast?
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#116840 - 01/08/15 09:51 PM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: beate_r]
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But You are aware that beside You there are pretty few electrologists, especially blend specialists, who are able to work that fast?

Beate, on what evidence to you base this statement?

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#116847 - 01/09/15 01:32 PM Re: Probe sizing?? [Re: Michael Bono]
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That's what i see here in Germany.
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