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#117650 - 03/18/15 09:46 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: SIGMA]
Michael Bono Offline

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Dr. Chapple (plastic surgery), Charles Hamilton (dermatology) and James Tolin (physiologist) said that the requirement of drinking LOTS of water being necessary for HF to work properly ... is an overstatement ... a fairy tale.

In actual (real) dehydration, many events take place; but skin drying out or even applying oil doesn't do much (except to the epidermis ... which is of little importance to the electrolysis treatment. The zapper-reaction takes place in the dermis and "hypodermis," (AKA "subdermis," AKA "subcutaneous layer" ... lots of other AKAs).

Drinking good amounts of liquids, however, is a splendid idea (most of us do not drink enough), but largely to maintain a plethora of (mostly internal) advantages. Being well hydrated also makes you feel better and thus probably makes the treatment more tolerable? I think so ... based on my own fairy tales.

I don't think the dermis dries out if you don't drink 8-glasses of water before the treatment. I think drinking a lot of water before a treatment will mostly cause you to pee a lot and require many toilet breaks. You would (perhaps) have to cause an actual lowering of blood volume to have skin dehydration? My guess anyway.

I think that the idea of "being well hydrated" is good advice (for the skin, internal organs and blood chemistry): but take liquid throughout the day. I think the idea has been greatly overblown ... to the point of "the current will not work properly unless you drink copious amounts of water beforehand." Who started that?

Tiny excellent suggestions are, in our "People Magazine culture," often exaggerated and blown out of all reasonable proportion.

Vitamins are excellent. Does a normal healthy person need to take HANDFULS of vitamins? Do you have to take tons of vitamins "or your skin will not heal from electrolysis?" Exercise is wonderful. Do you need to spend hours in the gym every day or run 17-miles every day? (Actually, I have a female client that DOES run 17-miles every day!) Well-formed BOOBS are nice. Do women need to look like Dolly Parton? When you enter a room, do your boobs have to get there first?

We overdo EVERYTHING and exaggerate everything in "these United States of America!" And, you can stick that right up your Benghazi (or up your "no weapons of mass destruction" ... if you're a Democrat!)


Edited by Michael Bono (03/18/15 09:48 AM)

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#117651 - 03/18/15 10:03 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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True story:

A male client "Robby," read the AEA website about needing liquids/water for a proper treatment.

His answer was to drink SIX BEERS before treatment ... you know "beer/water?" ... Beer seemed like a nicer idea! And, beer is mostly WATER.

He felt less pain! Hey, a new AEA suggestion?

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#117652 - 03/18/15 10:30 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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Dana Carvey did a character on SNL who would use the expression "like June Allyson after a friggin' six-pack!"
smile

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#117654 - 03/18/15 12:11 PM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: SIGMA]
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Fear of bad nutrition.

Americans are obsessed with vitamins, exercise, good looks, and all-things-healthy ... not bad, mind you. BUT, being fearful that we don't have enough vitamins so our skin won't heal, or thinking we have to put every product even made on post-treatment skin ... or drink a gallon of water ...

Look, it's like this: ONE fat American has enough nutrients in his/her body to feed a small country in Africa ... for a YEAR!

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#117655 - 03/18/15 05:41 PM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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From an online source:

"Think of it like this: Because leather is dry, a leather chair needs to be conditioned with oil to prevent it from drying out. If you apply water to a leather chair, it only gets drier. Bottom line: Dehydrated skin still produces oil, but feels tight, whereas dry skin produces little to no oil and can be flakey. And, while drinking water is great for your overall health, no amount of gulping will truly hydrate your skin."

Full article:
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/12/58635/dry-dehydrated-skin-differences

All the articles I've read so far talk about dehydration/dryness as affecting the epidermis (upper layers/cornium). I will continue searching, but so far have found the issue not significant for the dermis (where electrolysis takes place).

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#117659 - 03/19/15 01:33 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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As an aside, there was that thread a couple of years ago -- "carbon dye for gray hair" -- I can't paste the link -- that offered insights on how the follicle differs from other parts of the skin in terms of absorption. Thanks Mike!

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#117661 - 03/19/15 09:22 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Bono


6) You don't need to sterilize needles. Just attach the needle, hold it in the air and put the HF on: that sterilizes the needle.



The woman who trained me believed in this one with one addition. Pinch the needle with a cotton wetted with antiseptic while stepping on the footswitch will sterilize the needle. Explains the fact she only bought a dozen needles every month or so.
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Live by the 4 Agreements: Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Always do your best.



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#117668 - 03/19/15 12:31 PM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Barbara_CPE]
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I've been thinking about this: "Less current in moist skin ... more current in dry skin. Is higher current more painful than lower current?" Probably NOT.

The point is that it's not the HF CURRENT that kills follicles; it's the thermal REACTION to the current that kills the follicle. Consider this:

In order to destroy a follicle, you must achieve a specific temperature in the follicle; this would be your "minimum absolute."

I don't know the actual number, but let's say 100-degrees. If you only produce 80-degrees, you generate no "cooking." You must achieve, whatever the technique, the 100-degree absolute. Because you must!

If you have dry skin, you use more HF current to achieve the minimum 100-degrees. With moist skin, indeed you use less current, but you are still making the same 100-degrees (if properly executed).

Once you get to the minimum absolute temperature, the follicle is being "cooked." The reaction is the same in all cases, whatever the current strength ... and would feel the same too. A burn is a burn.

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#117685 - 03/20/15 11:54 AM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Michael Bono]
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According the Hinkle/Lind book coagulation starts at 127 degrees, while dessication starts at 212 degrees (F.)

Here's a thought experiment: Let's say I take a hot dog and stick it in the microwave oven, and let's say it is a bit dried out because I left it on the countertop all day. The microwave is set at 90% intensity. After 10 seconds, I pull out the hot dog, and it's still a bit under cooked... what do I do?

I could increase the intensity on the microwave to 100%, and I probably should even though it is already pretty dry... and/or I could give it a few more seconds, which is what I would probably do.

Then again, what I'd probably really do is say "screw it" and go to Pink's for a real hot dog.

Oh, and because the hot dog is more moist at the center, and therefore more conductive there, it would cook more in the center before it cooks the outer dryer parts smile

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#117687 - 03/20/15 12:24 PM Re: Electrolysis Exam Secrets ... warning! [Re: Emendia]
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Emendia, I don't understand your post ... but remember most DEARLY the 127 degrees!

I sort of avoid this actual number and remember "fondly" a 3-hour, no ALL DAY, discussion about this in Karlsruhe (Germany). The drive down from Bonn with Herr Herfs, in his lime-green Mercedes ... at 500 MPH, was "exciting" too! (It took me an hour to stop shaking.)

I was visiting Deutsche-Nemectron and talking with Frank Nippel und Herr Meier on a bunch of related issues. I mentioned the 127 degrees, and that launched the entire group into "sooooo, what is the precise temperature (gewesen sein)?"

In brilliant German fashion, we even went down to the "lab" and started conducting experiments.

I never got around to the main reason I was there! We never came up with the correct answer either. Herr Nippel sagt, "Coagulation in living tissue is different than in non-living tissue and different in specific tissues (?)" ... the basis of our all-day experimentation.

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