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#122857 - 10/11/16 10:07 PM Magnification options
Kellie Offline
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Hi, I recently obtained a cleo blend 256 and am thinking it would be best to start by learning insertions and hair removal on my thigh. Is this a good place to start and if so what type of magnification would be the best option for this.

If I were to obtain a magnification glass with a light on it, what would be the minimum diameter and magnification I would need.

This therapist in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTyut4udtYM (at approx 2:37) has some sort of magnification glasses on which I haven't seen before - how good is their magnification compared to a standard type magnification glass and what sort of cost are they.

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Edited by Kellie (10/11/16 10:08 PM)

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#122858 - 10/12/16 06:42 AM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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Here You can see my loupes - Heine 6X magnification.




Meanwhile with an additional LED light. This is High End stuff and hence expensive. That's why i bought it in two steps. My assistant uses the (much) cheaper (about 150 $) chinese 6X loupes i bought for her in connection with to additional medical lamps and an improvised headlight.

Important: loupes suitable for us need a working distance of 340 mm. Most of them are designed for 430 mm, and thats too large.

Otherwise IMO even the cheapest stereo loupes with headlights are superior to any mag lamp.
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#122859 - 10/12/16 08:42 AM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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Let me add: in DIY epilation, the wider working distance of the cheap loupes might be an advantage.
I have difficulties to reach some spots of my lower legs when i wear my loupes and work on myself.
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#122861 - 10/12/16 04:28 PM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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3.5x loupes is the most common magnification level I see with electrologists. The higher the magnification the longer the working distance. I don't think anyone can make high magnification loupes with shorter working distance. The same goes with stereo surgical scopes.

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#122862 - 10/12/16 05:41 PM Re: Magnification options [Re: fenix]
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Originally Posted By fenix
... The higher the magnification the longer the working distance.


No. exactly the other way: the higher the magnification, the shorter the working distances. As long as You are using just a single lens.

But with more than one lens You can control the working distance independent on the magnification.

Extreme examples: telescopes and microscopes. Both similar magnification, but quite different working distance. Photographic lenses for a given camera also have different magnification but a predetermined working distance (the distance from the lens to the film resp. sensor.


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I don't think anyone can make high magnification loupes with shorter working distance. The same goes with stereo surgical scopes.


If You do not believe - test it. You can buy, e.g., 6X (telescope) loupes with 43 cm working distance and with 34 cm working distance.
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#122863 - 10/12/16 09:07 PM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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Great to know there are variable options. It just that anytime I looked at loupes, the popular brands almost always have the same tech specs on magnification and working distances that are fixed.

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#122865 - 10/12/16 10:18 PM Re: Magnification options [Re: beate_r]
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Originally Posted By beate_r
...My assistant uses the (much) cheaper (about 150 $) chinese 6X loupes i bought for her in connection with to additional medical lamps and an improvised headlight.

Important: loupes suitable for us need a working distance of 340 mm. Most of them are designed for 430 mm, and thats too large.

Otherwise IMO even the cheapest stereo loupes with headlights are superior to any mag lamp.

Thanks, that's really useful info. So you're meaning something like these.

You mention using 'additional medical lamps and an improvised headlight' - please could you explain a bit more about this as not really sure what sort of setup you're describing. If the area to be worked on is illuminated, generally, by a single halogen light, on a stand, is this sufficient lighting for such low cost loupes.

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#122867 - 10/13/16 09:00 AM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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It is exactly the loupe set my assistant uses.

One halogen light on a stand might not always be sufficient. This has two reasons:
a) by physical principle larger magnifications need stronger lighting.
b) using two lamps will give You better possibilities to lighten the treatment area according to the situation. (If You have only one, it is "always" in the wrong position).

Anyway: if the lamp is sufficiently strong, it is possible to work with only one halogen lamp. I also started with only one.
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#122870 - 10/14/16 02:26 AM Re: Magnification options [Re: beate_r]
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Thanks. Are you meaning the typical household lamps with 100 watt halogen bulbs in them, like these bulbs here.

Or something like this which though seeming slightly inappropriate design wise, nevertheless must emit a huge amount of light!

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#122871 - 10/14/16 04:59 AM Re: Magnification options [Re: Kellie]
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No. I am using old medical halogen lamps.
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