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#124371 - 07/24/17 06:35 PM hairs break off during treatment
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When I'm treating hairs with galvanic, some hairs tend to break off at the follicle opening when I try to remove it and so the lower part of hair remains with the bulb and sheath in the follicle. My vision aid is pretty good and I'm confident in my insertions accuracy because I can actually see the tip of the needle right at the correct length reaching the hair bulbs.
I don't pull hard on these hairs, and I can't blame it on resistance from lack of proper energy delivery.

Is this something that requires a correction in my technique or do hairs just break off occasionally?


Edited by fenix (07/24/17 06:37 PM)

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#124372 - 07/25/17 06:08 AM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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Why should You? The hairs would be pushed out by the healing process; they are dead tissue and only need to be removed by us because we would not see the progress otherwise. Please keep in mind that the laser people also leave the hairs they kill in the skin (if they killed any, but so some degree they do...)

I would notify the client, because that might imply a slightly stronger healing reaction.

BTW: it happens with all methods. And it might be an indicator that it is possible to slightly reduce the energy.
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#124373 - 07/25/17 09:57 AM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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In Fenix's case I believe fenix is their own client, so I'm certain the client wont complain smile
Are the other hairs sliding out with no resistance? If it's one hair I wouldn't worry about it, one either the hair didn't die ( and will grow out of the follicle in a day or so or alternatively it will shed on its own like a tombstone does if the follicle has been killed. As long as its only one or two hairs, we dont worry about it and we'll get em next time. If you aren't getting smooth extractions from several hairs, its time to re-evaluate your technique and energy levels.

Seana


Edited by Iluv2zap (07/25/17 09:59 AM)
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#124377 - 07/25/17 09:47 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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It's happening more than I want to see it. Since it's scrotal skin, keeping it flat is difficult. I'm not sure if it's related to energy levels because I don't think I'm under treating.
I'm working with 10 tenths/1mA 20 seconds in straight galvanic. Before I with 3 tenths with up to 60 seconds. I don't think my insertions are way off at all, but sometimes I do "lift' a follicle wall a bit with the needle, since it's hard to keep skin flat.


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#124380 - 07/26/17 12:22 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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if it's resisting enough to break the hair when you try and take it out, its not dead yet. I would try venturing beyond pure galvanic to blend.You might also wish to try a "treat and wait" strategy, treat little groups of 5 or so hairs, then another group, then another, When you have dont the third grouping remove the first ones. You'll likely find that they release much better ( with no breakage). Lye is a chemical reaction, therefore not as "instant" as thermolysis aided modalities so letting the lye work ing he follicle for a minute or two will help immensely.

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#124381 - 07/26/17 12:40 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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I agree with Seana. When I did multi-needle galvanic, waiting to remove the hair in a few minutes was very helpful. Breakage is bad news.
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#124382 - 07/26/17 02:37 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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fenix,

I understand that your setting is 1mA for 20 sec. This is 200UL.
Hmmm...there is something wrong here.

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#124383 - 07/26/17 05:08 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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how is your insertion accuracy on these insertions? Working on yourself, it cant be great. Any possibility you were in the wrong follicle?


Edited by Iluv2zap (07/26/17 05:09 PM)
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#124384 - 07/26/17 07:51 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: fenix]
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I'm confident in insertion accuracy for the most part because of high magnification. Plus the follicles on scrotal skin are so close to the thin epidermis that I can actually see the hair bulb and the needle reaching it. But there are areas of the scrotum where it's very difficult to guess at which angle the follicle is because the probe can be placed parallel to the skin or at an angle and it feels like the follicle just dances around with the skin.

What I suspect is happening: high galvanic dissolving the hair where it breaks off because the root sheaths are so fat that they resist from passing through the narrower follicle openings?

During the next treatment I will wait and allow the lye to work longer as you advise to see if that helps release them without breaking.

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#124385 - 07/26/17 07:56 PM Re: hairs break off during treatment [Re: dimi]
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Originally Posted By dimi
fenix,
I understand that your setting is 1mA for 20 sec. This is 200UL.
Hmmm...there is something wrong here.


I wish I had better literature on single needle/ straight galvanic. But 200UL sounds OMG when I think it's appropriate levels for DC alone. 200UL with Blend would be in the over-treatment zone because AC would be in high levels.

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