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#124466 - 08/10/17 10:45 AM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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Isn't Dectro the world leader in electrology equipment today and aren't they present in many parts of Europe? I think established companies have more power than individuals to make this change.

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#124468 - 08/10/17 11:56 AM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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Many electrology companies are present in Europe, such as Instantron, Sterex and of course Dectro.
A friend of mine already contacted Dectro about the French issue and they said they can not help. It was 2 years ago. Maybe they will be able to do lobbying nowadays ? Who know.

Established companies may have some power, but it depends on they leader's will.
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#124469 - 08/10/17 01:56 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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Free market competition would make it so that good work would be both available and would rise to the top of the market. restrictions and controls serve to create a monopoly, protect those who don't deserve it, and in some cases, cause an industry to go extinct.
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#124473 - 08/10/17 03:07 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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I think your last post is blending two different issues, especially with the picture, at least for the European situation. (I do not know exactly how it is in USA). I mean the first issue : licensing some professions and other not, and second issue : the access of them by money.

According to me, licensing a profession means officially recognize and ratify knowledge learned in an official school. Also a licensed profession can be used in order to protect the profession and the citizens who need the service of the first one, at the same time.
For example : a licensed nurse like Dee Fahey or June Adams is a proof of professionalism and security. If everybody could be called "nurse" without going to nurse course, it could be a problem...

First issue, should electrologist be a licensed profession ? Some certified electrologists are plucker and some non certified electrologists work very well... the issue here would be the access to a good electrology education/course with the same quality for all.
(Let me recall that some official course tell to their students that we can not treat telogen hair...)

Other issue : the financial access. In Spain for example the inscription fees to be a certified esthetician are like 2$ in a public school. So here we can not tell that licensing means "the government sells your rights back to you" as the picture you posted says.

The conclusion: I do not think licensing is a problem, so is the access to good education. In France (it was the first issue of the thread) there is no access to electrology course because of the lack of knowledge about it : an electrologist needs to learn his profession and practice a lot, but you do not need to study 10 years of medecine.



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#124478 - 08/11/17 05:48 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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Last I heard, the french government decided that the cost of an electrolysis "license" was acquisition of an MD credential. Am I incorrect?
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#124479 - 08/11/17 06:26 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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The real issue is : there is not electrologist license in France since the profession does not exist, there is not electrology course. "Electric hair removal" is considered as a medical procedure using electro-bistouri. The issue is about the lack of knowledge about electrolysis hair removal by French authority : if they truly know what is electrology, first specific electrolysis hair removal course will be available in order to create real profesional electrologists (a physician could be electrologist if them want but the course will be available for non-physicians).
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#124481 - 08/11/17 07:20 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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What you are missing is that there was once a vibrant electrolysis industry in France. I visited back when they started the process of what some would call "Denial of service attacks". Those who knew how to do the work were first bullied to "partner with doctors" and later to chose between being forced to go underground, or simply go out of business.
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#124482 - 08/11/17 08:19 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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#124483 - 08/11/17 11:50 PM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Originally Posted By James W. Walker VII

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence,—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” - George Washington


You need a George Washington in France, Adrien, to fight a Revolutionary War so the hairy in France can be served well. Most of the world's amazing advances and discoveries, that greatly enhance people's lives are not being created by government, but by individual's who are free to imagine, invent and then be rewarded. France is better than this and can become what it once was in regard to non-physicians performing electrolysis.
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#124484 - 08/12/17 10:03 AM Re: Another French Medical Plucker [Re: adrien_sanchiz]
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The Washington quote is a good one, except he didn’t say it. Quotes attributed to famous people have been “invented” for years … and, with the internet accelerated to stunning heights. France already has their advocate: Adrian.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/05/26/fire-servant/

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