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#124558 - 08/25/17 04:08 PM Still getting re-growth...
shaggy-in-sf Offline
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I've done laser and IPL sessions pretty much every winter for the last 5-6 years and I still get near total regrowth. Maybe the hair is finer, but I can't say for sure. I had my hormones tested a couple of years back and everything was normal. Any ideas what it going on?

Some more info: I am male with fair skin and dark hair. I usually do appx 5 treatments over my whole body during winter. Each treatment is appx 4-6 wks apart. I get complete shedding with each treatment.

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#124559 - 08/25/17 05:03 PM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
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Five to six years of treatment, huh? Maybe you already have the answer?

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#124560 - 08/25/17 05:42 PM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
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You only received treatments during winter period (which is 3 months out of a year) for 5 winter seasons? Then, technically you were not receiving 6 years of treatments but a total of 18 months of treatments. It normally takes 8-12 ongoing treatments over 18-20 months to see results. It's hard to tell if you were missing complete hair cycles or if you would still cover all hair cycles by now?

IPL is known to be a bad modality and who knows what type of laser and whether proper energy settings were used. At this point you can accept it as fact tat what you have been doing will not give you results you want. Can you post photos of your full regrowth? The safest answer would be for you to transition to electrolysis.

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#124562 - 08/26/17 11:27 AM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
shaggy-in-sf Offline
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Each winter would get appx 5 sessions, so it's probably a little more than you suggest, but your point is well taken. I was wondering if taking a break during summer was allowing weakened hair follicles to regrow.

I guess I'm confused because I get great clearing each treatment, so I thought that I was doing permanent damage to the follicle. Is it likely that because of genetics my body just continues to grow new hair follicles?

I will post pictures later.

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#124563 - 08/26/17 01:27 PM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
Iluv2zap Offline
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I did 12 sessions over 13 months with a Lightsheer diode laser. The results long term, were zero reduction and that is with a machine that supposedly has a good reputation, and ideal skin/hair color.IPL, ( any form of IPL) has no permanent effect. case after case have demonstrated this. The IPL lack sufficient energy to penetrate to the hair root. Alexandrite or YAG laters can yield some permanent reduction, but IPL will always be no reduction over long term.

I would seriously heed Fenix's suggestion to move to electrolysis, and also point out that fenix is probably the closest we have here at hairtell to a laser/IPL expertise, and he would not recommend such lightly .
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#124564 - 08/26/17 01:29 PM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
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Unlike electrolysis, Laser-IPL only works on Anagen-growth stage because it's the only stage where hair is dark enough for light energy to be absorbed by the hair pigment. If you only did sessions in winter seasons, you could have been missing a lot of the anagen cycled hairs that grew in say in fall, spring, summer, but no one will be able to tell you 100%. The laser technicians should have explained this to you about hair cycles.
If you start electrolysis and only get treatments 3 months out of calendar year, don't expect to get fast results either. You have to keep on a consistent schedule to finish faster.

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#124809 - 10/03/17 02:56 PM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
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What do you all think of this statement:

"If you have no health conditions, you're completely healthy, and you've head all your babies, or you don't want to have babies, and you have your laser sessions done, you're completely hair-free, it could last up to, I don't know, 10-15 years, for some people."

12:57-13:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDvNFZNCdDk

Which laser in particular is she saying can last as long as 10-15 years? I don't want to bother watching the whole video again. SHR?

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#124817 - 10/04/17 09:25 AM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
dfahey Offline

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I'm glad that people have crystal balls to predict these things. I'm glad that people are experts on knowing which hairs came back and which hairs are brand new, stimulated by ???? genetic blueprint? medication? stress? hormonal issues? menopause? pregnancy? Absolute silliness.

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#124819 - 10/04/17 09:37 AM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
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My crystal ball is broken. Do I call dectro for service?
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#124820 - 10/04/17 10:00 AM Re: Still getting re-growth... [Re: shaggy-in-sf]
Iluv2zap Offline
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Also, For TON, I'm looking at parts of that video and I'd like to point out some problems with what the girl is saying:

1 ) a laser that targets "proteins" , would be having an effect on the entire skins surface, because its ALL proteins. Laser is a LIGHT energy and reacts with pigment, how do you suppose they convine the light energy to now affect very specific proteins in an area? Hint, they DONT! This scam is very old. Look at the Elos ME which purports to use thermolysis that is "attracted" to the hair follicle, the only problem is, the science DOESNT WORK!

The "expert" presenting this information herself says "I dont know how long it will last" how can this be credible?None of these new fangled "attracted to the preheated follicle, attracted to certain proteins, whatever the shaky science de jour is, have shown to have any effect on hair growth in use and study. NONE OF THEM! they are the "elctronic tweezer" of 2017, and a complete fraud.Electrolysis ont he other hand has a proven track record of success for over 130 years! Who are you going to trust your face treatment to, the established professional who's been showing success for 40 years, or the new guy doing laser treatments out the back boot of his car down on the corner? I know who I would choose.
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