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#125114 - 11/10/17 11:33 AM Electrolysis machine advice please!
Mariana Offline
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Was searching for a used machine, the representative from texaselectrolysissupply advised against Apilus stating that they have lots of board problems and are difficult and expensive to fix here in usa and recommended a generic Uniprobe Light for $550
I found an Aplius Senior II on Ebay for about $900(it has 5 bidders) which seems a much superior machine to me and worth the extra money.

Please advise on what i should get(this is to treat my whole body)

I recently purchased "The Blend Method" book by Michael Bono and read a lot and watched all possible internet videos. Thank you Michael for the amazing videos, can't wait to read your book!

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#125115 - 11/10/17 11:40 AM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
Mariana Offline
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By the way the Apilus has a broken handle, though that I should be able to find a replacement online?
The reason I decided to do electrolysis myself is I live in a very rural area, just one person here that does electrolysis just 2 days a week when i am at work, I go to her now for my armpits but the progress wont be fast since I have a hard time changing my schedule around to see her...(Can't pay for the sessions if I dont work:)

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#125118 - 11/10/17 02:54 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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Mariana I would message Skip Mahler at the instantron company. He may or may not have used machines, but the Instantron Spectrum Elite are best in class epilators and he should at the very least be able to point you at a few folks have upgraded. I've worked with skip personally and he's fantastic to work with.
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#125130 - 11/11/17 12:35 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
Mariana Offline
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Hi Seana and Thank you very much for your response!
How do i get a hold of Skip? On their website there is just a general customer service ph#...
Also, what would your opinion be on this machine?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/APILUS-SENIOR-II-ELECTROLYSIS-PERMANENT-HAIR-REMOVAL-MACHINE-EXCELLENT-CONDITION/302510552943?hash=item466f08b76f:g:di8AAOSwZtlZ-l1W

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#125131 - 11/11/17 01:46 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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Since you will be working on yourself, you should focus on machines that do Blend very well. Working with flash/thermolysis on yourself runs risk of scarring since thermolysis is rapid and there is low-margin for error. Perfect insertions on yourself are difficult to achieve and hard to compensate for when you work with thermolysis.

You have been focusing on Apilus machines, but several electologists told me that that Apilus machines are superb at flash modes but weak/poor in Blend modes. Texas sells good refurbished brands which do blend very well. Instantron would also be a better option for Blend. Good on purchasing Michael Bono's book, you will learn a lot.

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#125133 - 11/11/17 02:42 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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The Apilus Senior-II is great machine.I have SX-500 which is almost identical with Senior-II. It is very good for thermolysis.
There are a lot of restrictions for blend. For example the thermolysis can not be set for more than 29% or the time for blend can not be less than 4sec. It is require more experience and playing with the settings but it is possible to get good results in blend mode. If the machine comes with the optional iMM pack it is also great.
The bad things:
1. There is a component in the motherboard of the machine which contains battery.This component is not user replaceable.
2. The machine should be sent for calibration.
3. For calibration and changing the component with the battery, the machine should be send to the manufacturer company which is Dectro in Canada. It would be costly and the company may ask for registration and certification for the machine and the practitioner.
My advice is to follow Fenix and Seana suggestions.

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#125137 - 11/11/17 05:44 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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I love it when I go into the office for a busy saturday. andmy merry band of assistants pop in in my absense and answer all the diffcult questions posed, almost exactly as I would have.Good job Dimi and Fenix!

Skip can be contacted through the main phone number his family business company has been around since early in the 20th century. I've seen machines his parents and gransparents produced in the 1920's . You'll also find him on facebook if you look .I recommended his products because they have shown themselves to be good reliable machines that are well supported by the manufacturer.
I wish I could say the same with Dectro. There's a fairly extensive conversation ( one in a series of similar conversations ) going on right now on one of the facebook groups, a very well known electrologist is having trouble with a platinum. Its the same problem that multiple electrologists have been experiencing for the last several years with dectro products, inconsistent delivery of current. It seems that many have had to send ther machines for very drastic service, not just calibration, but in a ot of cases entire motherboard replacement. For the average practising electrologist, losing your machine for even one day is a problem that can stop you doing business.

I myself own an SM-500 ( virtually identical to Dimi's SX-500) with the same battery located in the SRAM card. I had to buy this card when I bought my machine as mine didnt have one.I am not familiar with any other apilus machine that has this battery than these 2 models, so I cant confirm whether the senior II has one, but it would make sense, it's the functional equivelent of the "cmos " battery on computers. It would make sense some of these older machines have the same I just cant confirm it.

All this said, whatever the cause,there has been a consistent history of failures on Apilus devices. This history is not consistent with other makers, I myself have used a VMC and a clareblend machine which work perfectly 10 or more years after their manufacture, and have never required service, probeholder replacement or any other component. When you combine this with an unlicensed individual working with the machine and a company that will not work with them, you have to take this into consideration when buying an epilator. When it breaks, who are you going to call to fix it? This should be the first question you have.While I like the Apilus for DIY\ers and students because the presents make determining energy level easy, I dont really recommend them for that purpose anymore.

One of my clients who dabbles in DIY bought a senior II locally on one of her trips up for treatment for $900 canadian. I noted some issues but it works fine. I've seen them typically around the $1000 mark to 1600.Canadian Dollars.
I consistently see SM=500's like mine for around $600-$800 . Intrestingly enough they are outsold and outpriced often by Silouette tone servoblend and blennd128s . These epilators are almost ANCIENT in comparison. and come from the 70s and 80s yet they fetch almost the same price, why? reliability. My apprentise, is having a hard time locating a VMC she wants for under 1500.

My honest opinion, avoid the senior II . If/ When it needs to be serviced, you wont be able to. Just about any other epilator than apilus is serviced inhouse by texas electrolysis Supply who would be happy to help you.

Seana
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#125143 - 11/12/17 01:17 AM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
Mariana Offline
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Thank you everyone for your advise and info!
I followed everyone's advise and decided against th Apilus senior II.(sold for $1725US) I will be searching for something else. I called and left a voicemail and also emailed Instantron to check on prices, hoping they will have something used that's cheaper.
The Instantron Spectrum Elite looks great but it sells for over $3000.00 on Texas website and that's more than i can afford at the moment...
Wish I was in Canada to buy from Kiiji, seems like there is a lot more inventory and much cheaper that here in US, the ST-250 's look awesome to me as well...
Once i get Bono's book i will be looking for some magnification as well, want to make informed decisions before i buy.
It's upsetting having Apilus issues when you are running a business, that would be damaging...i feel for those people!
I appreciate all of your help, amazing that you dedicate your time and effort to help others!

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#125183 - 11/13/17 12:09 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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The battery described above was only a part of the SM-500 and SX-500 series. It was a part of the SRAM card and was not inside the machine on the motherboard. It was a control piece that allowed salon owners to control costs in that the machines do not work without the SRAM card, and one could set the machine to not work without an open customer file, which would record the treatment for payment. The problem for others is that if you left the SRAM card plugged into the machine and turned the machine off, the card would drain the battery inside and when it died, the machine could not be turned on again until the SRAM card battery was replaced, and the machine reinitialized.

The battery COULD be replaced by the user without sending it back, and the reinitialization process could be done by calling Dectro and having a service rep talk you through the process, but they would ask for serial number to verify that the unit was not stolen before helping with the process. (You don't know how many stolen machines have been found this way)

So for future reference, the Senior II does not have a SRAM card battery as it had no client management/salon management system built in.
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#125186 - 11/13/17 01:50 PM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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James,

The SRAM card battery is user replaceable.
I am talking for the motherboard. When I serviced my machine the technician told me that they use old technology for the RAM to hold the software. This RAM contains battery and should be changed. I do not know how often - 5, 10 years.

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#125187 - 11/14/17 12:34 AM Re: Electrolysis machine advice please! [Re: Mariana]
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That is interesting... no one I know who had a Senior II / Senior2 ever mentioned having to send it in for this. It may have something to do with how much time the unit sits with the power turned off. As long as the power is on, the unit is running off the wall current. Prior to the new iScreens many Apilus users always left their machines on overnight. Perhaps this is why. wink
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