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#125345 - 12/07/17 10:50 AM Advice for customers.
Roselake21 Offline
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Hi, first of all I would like to clarify some points regarding the "method" of 3 clearances.

It would be very helpful for the customers to see before and after pictures in high definition of the before and the after of the 3 clearing process in an untouched area prior treatment of a minimum of 6 months.

Electrolysis, regardless the modalities of the technique ( thermolyses, multiplex,blend). DOES destroy permanently (that means forever!) the hair follicles ONLY in the hand of a good practitioner. The hair has to be killed the first time. (Not In 2 or 3 atempts.)

There is one electrologist on this forum who provide a very very good work. Her name is Josefa. It is not a surprise for everyone of this forum I guess smile

Why it is a very good professional ? The answers is very simple, she always provided pictures of decent quality of differents successful treatments of women and mans as well. From the start to the beginning with good explications of the immediate skin reaction. That's the first thing which is in my opinion very important. It allow customers to expect what they can obtain from HER works.

The second very important thing is that she's doesn't like to mess with the hair. When she treat a hair it is very unlikely to regrowth, believe me!

i have been treated for the past few years by differents electrologist with virtual good reputation on the internet. The quality of the work is not the same at all. ( Quality of work refer to the ability of the practitioner to kill the folicles in one time.) to judge the quality of the work of an electrologist, take a pictures before the treatment and 3 month after a clearing and jidge of you had ingrown hair or hair that are cute of at the top of them. If there Is a lot of them. You have to move because you want your hair killed the fist time not a never ending process for the SAME hair. Don't look at your skin for this 3 month. Don't be bothered by little redness or skin manifestation. I Will resolve and it is very unlikely to have permanent damage in the hand of most of the electrologist who post on the Internet and participate to forumlike this one.

Customers wants to see good photographies of complete treatment.
I always say that a good picture is much more intéressant than to much talking.
Electrologist can take close up shot in order to protect the identity of their customers. They can also sign a form of consent. In general this is not a problem to post close up pictures of someone because of you explain them that this can help others in making a choice for a treatment, this is a perfectly fine reason and people want to help. THERE IS NO EXCUSE for an electrologist to no provide precise pictures of their work during a complete treatment. Not after only 1 or 2 clearances. After the 3 clearance too!

People on this forum ask the same questions over and over again. It is boring and I understand the professional who are tired to answer the questions asked more than 25 times. Customers needs clear informations befire they choose to go for a treatment.

Keep in mind, a referal of an electrologist mean NOTHING. You want to see proof precisois tratment of work that is going to be done on your face or in your body.
So, pictures took at every stage during a treatment from before to 3 month after the 3 clearing is kind of a good exemple of what an electrologist can provide in term of permanent hair removal on an area.

Electrolysis works on every hair and every skin and every type of hair, from straight to curly ( anlagen and telogen as well!)

So customers: before starting a treatments ask the following questions: how is it going to take ? How many clearances to have 99% of the hair gone forever ? Can you profile me pictures of a former customers before, after the 1 clearing, after the second and more than 3 mo the after the 3 clearing.

Electrologist: please profide pictures of your work in a serious way. A very good electrologist name josefa did it since many years so I guess you can do it to. We wasn't to know what to expect.

I hope this post gonna be helpful for the custimers trying to find an electrologist and for the electrologists who can improve their way of working with more visibility of their results.

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#125347 - 12/07/17 11:21 AM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Michael Bono Offline

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Bravissssimo!

Let me add to your statement that Josefa (and me too) are often ostracized by people in our profession (make that USUALLY ostracized). My book was published in 1991 and probably the first discussion of "the 3-clearances" strategy (I called it "clear and wait"). When I presented this (and other data, e.g. wound-healing) to a big convention, I was told I was a LIAR! One woman said, "I hate you!" I mean, right to my face! I never ventured into a convention again.

The "anagen only" and "papilla only" and "blood supply" and "curved follicle" people insist (even after the ideas were disproved in a 1968 book) that they are right. I gave up.

Indeed, I do have photos, but recently I threw away about 1,000 35mm photos because nobody (practitioners) care to see or discuss ... well ... anything. Most electrologists hold onto their ancient concepts because, for some reason, it fulfills what they are doing (or not doing).

But you do get tired of it all. I have done a few videos ... and, if I get my energy back, might continue and present real data; not just empty ideas. Meanwhile, I just stick to my few clients and clean them up as I've done for the last 40 years.

My kindred spirit in the electrology world? ... Well, you said it ... Josefa.

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#125352 - 12/07/17 03:08 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Roselake21 Offline
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Michael, you are one of the electrologist that post pictures of his work too and thank you for doing that.

Men and women who can't believe that hair can be destroyed permanently can't go to an electrologist who don't have documented pictures of all stage of the treatments. Well in many cases they begin their treatment, but they are always concerned about skin conditions from day + 1 after their treatments. They go and ask questions on forums over and over, because they don't know what to expect in terms of results from their practionners.

On hairtell, I want to see more pictures of clearances spaced by month and follow up posted by customers or electrologists. In 2017 we can have acces to very good digital hd cameras and not using this technology that we have in purpose to show the facts of your work is a shame.

Regarding the non permanent side effects of the skin, as you often say Michael, electrolysis is a micro surgical act so when you engage in such an action like this, expect your skin to have big scabs and hyper pigmentation in some cases. It is normal!

To conclude, I will repeat myself a second time but it is important. Before treating a large area. Ask the practitioner to do a patch test in 2 differents area and ask her/him to remove every single hair in the zone. This zone has to be left alone for at least 4 months prior doing this patch test. After 3 month you will be able to tell if the treatments is worth it or no. You have to see a difference if the electrologist did his job correctly. If not and if you see mostly hairs with shaved appearance. This is not a good thing !

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#125353 - 12/07/17 04:18 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Michael Bono Offline

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You must be a mind-reader? Yes to everything, of course.

It would be nice, however, if people could very simply and directly upload photos to Hairtell. I just gave up on the photo business, because of the little dance we have to do (e.g., photobucket) to post photos. A "drop-in" feature, like Facebook, would increase people's sharing and readership as well.

As you say, and I 100% agree, people want to SEE and not hear all the hyperbole and puffing ... and (sometimes) fake endorsements (make that BS!).

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#125354 - 12/07/17 06:13 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Iluv2zap Offline
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I must be the weird one. I cant remember the last client I was able to convince that the clinic to take a before photo. I've gotten to the point I just highly stress they take such photos themselves and the reasons why. Maybe people are more prvate here? or maybe I'm just not communicating it well.
Anytime I've ever asked a client if we could take a photo beforehand, they get this horrified look.


Edited by Iluv2zap (12/07/17 06:16 PM)
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#125355 - 12/07/17 07:12 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Iluv2zap]
EmancipatedElect Offline
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Registered: 07/21/14
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Loc: Rochester, NY
Originally Posted By Iluv2zap
I must be the weird one. I cant remember the last client I was able to convince that the clinic to take a before photo. I've gotten to the point I just highly stress they take such photos themselves and the reasons why. Maybe people are more prvate here? or maybe I'm just not communicating it well.
Anytime I've ever asked a client if we could take a photo beforehand, they get this horrified look.


I have the same issue here... Nobody wants to have photos taken.
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Emancipated Electrolysis LLC
Rochester, NY

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#125356 - 12/07/17 07:20 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Roselake21 Offline
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I m not a mind reader yet Michael ahah.

I'm against when someone who is in Europe and make an endorsement about a professional in the states. If you haven't been treated by this person how, can you say" This person is terrifi", go to see him/her." The same if you didn't even see pictures of good quality from this practionner.

Yes i agree with the fact that it is long and not easy to post pictures on the forum hairtell. But creating a page in Flickr or in an another online photo storage website is very easy and we can put the link on hairtell and the reader can click on them and consults the album. Very easy to do.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures-story/839-best-photography-sites.html

Here is a selection of online storage website where you can easily create online albums.

Let me give you an example. When you consult for a surgical procedure, the surgeon take pictures. I have never heard or seen a surgeon who doesn't take pictures of his patients. It has to be the same with electrolysis. You are not painting on nails, you are removing hair permanently smile

It has to be part of the process. Josefa didn't have any problem taking pictures of her clients for an exemple. And thanks to this customers. When an electrologist is confident with his ability to kill hair the first time and complete an untouched area In 3/4 clearances there should be no excuses or problems to display and show they work.

Electrolysis, as said before is a micro aesthetic surgical procedure. It's essential for the electrologist to take pictures. If not. Nobody can tell with precision how the treatment is going. People forget, and a good way to remind them the fact is to look at the pictures who always say the reality at a moment of a time.

I hope electrologist will understand that pictures is now needed. The is a way to explain to the client how crucial it is to have pictures.

The true is that sometimes, some electrologists are not able to provide results like Josefa or Michael and they prefer don't take pictures. They do their work on a routine but their kill rate are not very good at all. What every electrologist should do is to always want to improve their results and finishing a customers should be very exiting and enjoying remonving permanently the hair and taking pictures to show their work. They should be proud of it. Unfortunately, it seems that it is often not the case. Let me tell you something. A record of very happy patients that new customers can for some get in contacts, with no retuning hairs documented with pictures with the modalities of the treatments is worth a degree!






Edited by Roselake21 (12/07/17 07:53 PM)

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#125368 - 12/08/17 05:19 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
SecretSid Offline
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Registered: 11/06/17
Posts: 21
Well said Roselake.

I think it could be a good idea to open a thread called "before&after pictures" and just basically just for this purpose. I think it will motivate many people who is bothered by hairs, and make them believe that it actually exists a permanent hair removal solution.

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#125369 - 12/08/17 08:36 PM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
adrien_sanchiz Offline
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Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 293
Loc: France, Spain
Very Good idea actually.
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http://adrien-sanchiz-electrolysis.blogspot.fr/

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#125373 - 12/09/17 08:05 AM Re: Advice for customers. [Re: Roselake21]
Roselake21 Offline
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Thank you Secred Sid.

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