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#125672 - 01/19/18 10:19 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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No such thing as a "stubborn hair." (Okay, maybe one out of a 1,000.) Looking at a hair with an intact sheath tells you nothing. Such "intact hairs" can be tweezed and look identical. Just saying ...

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#125674 - 01/19/18 11:15 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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I totally agree Michael but she claims she went back to the hairs she had to tug on and applied more intensity? It was definitely a more comfortable experience. I may try one more electrolygist who is experienced in both thermolysis and blend before calling it a day. She is unfortunately an hours drive from me but her prices are reasonable and she is CPE.

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#125677 - 01/19/18 12:03 PM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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This is a good strategy.Try as many as are available and go with the one who you are most comfortable with their treatment. Good release of the hair is essential. Going back to the occasional hair you experienced some traction from is a good strategy, but if this is happening consistently it could mean undertreatment. The courser deeper hairs require more energy to make them release properly and the energy must be in just the right place.

The "Newish high tech looking Apilus" sounds like the Xcell. If it had a touch screen definitely so. This is the same epilator I use in my clinic and that Dee uses as well.It's star modalities are picoflash and Synchro thermolysis.In my practise, I'm getting a much better kill rate than even I expected with it, whether due to the machine or skill, I am sometimes finding clients finishing up in less than half of what I originally quoted them for total time to completion, and to numbers very much in line with numbers others have expressed here for similar cases.But in the end, the machine itself, is immaterial. You can use a proteus or a 10 year old apilus or a silouette tone or clairblend or instantron, it really doesnt matter as far as the treatment goes , you will still make progress. One of the facts drilled into me by the professionals here on hairtell, in particular Mr James Walker, was that a 10 or 15 year old epilator, is still effective in the right hands at killing just as much hair as a brand new one.It's the skill of the electrologist that makes the most difference in kill rate.

Seana
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#125681 - 01/20/18 12:13 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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I may have spoken too soon, once again having a really bad skin day. In addition I am seeing quite a few hairs the new electrologist didn't get. One hair now appears to be ingrown. I am super flaky but cautious to put anything on it because of my acne prone skin.

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#125682 - 01/20/18 06:41 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By Michael Bono
No such thing as a "stubborn hair." (Okay, maybe one out of a 1,000.) Looking at a hair with an intact sheath tells you nothing. Such "intact hairs" can be tweezed and look identical. Just saying ...


Total and absolutely agree with Michael!

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#125683 - 01/20/18 06:52 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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Originally Posted By endlesshello
Oh, one more thing, sadly she also had to tug on the hairs to get them out, but she did seem to think she was getting good epilation and showed me the hair with the sheath intact. The hairs are very stubborn.


If she had to tug on the hairs to get them out, it is impossible that she was getting good epilation with electrolysis. Both concepts are totally contradictory.

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#125738 - 02/01/18 11:58 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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Also, I want to address the comment that I didn't scar from my first electrolysis. I did in fact scar which is why I was so hesitant to ever try again. The first time years ago, the lady used a probe that was much larger (assume in diameter) and I could feel a puncture each time it was inserted into my skin. It did scar me and maybe I just didn't describe the scarring in the right way, but they are very evident especially in daylight and at close range.

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#125739 - 02/01/18 11:59 AM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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I am trying a 3rd electrologist tomorrow.

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#125740 - 02/02/18 03:04 PM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
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I've been deliberately avoiding responding to this message, in the hopes that either Michael or Josepha would pop in. Both are more qualified to respond to the inferrence that you have been somehow "scarred" by previous treatment.

Using a too large of probe, wont cause scarring, whether you are using whatever modality.It is almost impossible to "puncture the skin" with large probes because they are blunt. They do not have sharpened points and are not designed to be used to puncture the skin. As an electrologist I can give you the consistent advice given to me by every electrologist here, and that is to use as large a probe as you can insert into the follicle. Sometimes you will feel some probing, but this DOES NOT lead to scarring of any kind.Even if they were to insert well beyound the base of the follicle and rupture the lining, and then release a electrolysis current, such a current would NOT result in scarring of any kind. In electrolysis , actual "scarring" can only occur under very specific circumstances, and your explanation didnt and cannot satisfy those circumstances.
Permanent scarring is almost unheard of in modern electrology. Yet it remains the number one anxiety from people undergoing electrolysis.
Mike Bono has a wonderful video series that I often recommend for people in situations such as yours, you can find it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKQcBAHLOI&list=PLeYuCaeN4D7PpsKYHFJ7tKr0yJoIyTSQO

Dont let the anxiety monster get you down. Electrolysis works, and remains now as it always has been a safe and effective method of permanent hair removal.

Outside of the methods described in Michaels video , there are very few ways to cause a "permanent scar" through electrolysis. Your supposition that by puncturing the skin and releasing the current in no related tissues, wouldn't result in permanent scarring.

I've been a member of this forum for some years, more than I care to count.We've seen thousands of images here over those years from many clients claiming to have "permanent scarring from electrolysis". Do you want to know how many have been shown to be actual scarring caused by electrolysis in all of hairtell history? Zero! Not one!Not a single case could be proven to be scarring caused by electrolysis. This is how I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are incorrect about this issue.

Do try the third electrologist and good luck!
Seana



Edited by Iluv2zap (02/02/18 03:08 PM)
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#125741 - 02/02/18 07:37 PM Re: Advice: Should I switch to someone who uses blend? [Re: endlesshello]
Michael Bono Offline

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I just noticed this thread Seana, and thanks for you kind and thoughtful comments.

In all the years of doing this "zap thing" the two words that clients never forget and repeat endlessly (well, not all of them) are: "scars" and "regrowth."

Every returning hair is "regrowth," and every temporary mark ... all of them ... is a scar. You'll get used to it in a few decades!

Also noteworthy is that 100% of all my clients who complained about "scars and regrowth" ... just stopped complaining or worrying when the process was over.

Only now-and-then I hear from former clients that take the time to praise electrolysis ... and are thankful for the work we all do, that was performed well and actually achieved permanent hair removal. "Yes we can." (Where have I heard that before?)

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