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#126213 - 04/13/18 09:55 AM Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis?
melb_aussie Offline
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Can someone shed me some light if you have used both Clareblend/Hinkel (manually) VERSUS Apilus (computerised treatments)? What'r the pro and con? I think this questions may be asked many times previously, please share the links for answers if u may.

Because I only use the devices manually either Blend or only thermolysis. Never ever use the computerised one before.

Thank you all the caring Electrologists out there for your time,
Nora
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#126214 - 04/13/18 10:14 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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The reason I ask because I'm still reluctant to invest in something cost more than half the price of a new effective laser hair removal machine. In addition, the computerised ones won't let me control the energy settings I want to use.

But I'm definitely looking for alternative machine or ways to reduce the treatment time per follicle => Which mean higher energy required but I'm not so sure whether it is safe to do so with the manual blend devices?

Also which such high energy, I believe insulated needles r recommended to minimise therapists' errors.


Edited by melb_aussie (04/13/18 10:16 AM)
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#126215 - 04/13/18 11:02 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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In the real world both computerized (high-intensity) flash and manual low-intensity blend are equally effective for permanent hair removal. To the best of my knowledge, no single machine is available that offers both techniques. Aside from owning two machines, the electrologist must choose which approach better suits their business and buy accordingly. I am currently debating which route to go.


Edited by TheFlyingProbe (04/13/18 11:03 AM)

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#126216 - 04/13/18 11:16 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Yes the xcell pro is expensive. I've never the less had some success with mine, notwithstanding the probeholders which fail constantly.
You can actually set your own parameters and it's easy to do with slide controls on the touchscreen. After working with the machine for a year, I still find myself finding new features and way to do things. But I've been an Apilus machine user since I first started doing electrology, and that's what I stuck with. At the price though, it will be the only Apilus I purchase again .One of my concerns when looking at swittching away from Apilus was that I wouldnt be able to learn a new way of doing things if Iwent to another manufacturer. But Skip from instantron was a great help in having me get over these apprehensions. And instantrons are less than 1/3 the cost of an Xcell . So that might be one of the options you may consider looking into.

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#126218 - 04/13/18 01:28 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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In reality there is no such thing as "computerized electrolysis" (which is what the public assumes when they hear "computer").

Indeed, many machines have computerized programs, but the actual electrolysis procedure depends on the operator's skill ONLY.

Look at it this way. Your modern car has a computer, and there are many features that can assist your driving skills (e.g., APS brakes). However, if you're a terrible driver, nothing in your car's systems will keep you from crashing.

Self-driving cars? Probably so, in the future. Fully automated electrolysis? Probably, but in the very distant future (maybe never).

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#126219 - 04/13/18 01:51 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Typo: make that "ABS" brakes

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#126220 - 04/13/18 01:54 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: TheFlyingProbe]
Josefa M. Reina Offline
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Originally Posted By TheFlyingProbe
In the real world both computerized (high-intensity) flash and manual low-intensity blend are equally effective for permanent hair removal. To the best of my knowledge, no single machine is available that offers both techniques. Aside from owning two machines, the electrologist must choose which approach better suits their business and buy accordingly. I am currently debating which route to go.


There is a machine that allows you to work manually or through the application of automatic pulses that you have previously configured. It's the Elite Spectrum of Instantron. At the push of a button, the system switches from manual (where you have timer control) to automatic mode (with which the current will continue to flow until the pre-programmed pulse duration ends).

The only drawback of this machine is that it does not include a clock that controls the treatment time.

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#126222 - 04/13/18 03:02 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Thank you for the clarification Josefa. This leads to my next question - at low intensities, can the Elite Spectrum duplicate the Hinkel/Clareblend technique of several seconds per hair using progressive epilation? In other words, what range on the Spectrum RF settings would be equivalent to the 35 - 90 volts of RF typically employed by the Clareblend and Hinkel machines?

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#126226 - 04/13/18 10:01 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
melb_aussie Offline
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Hi All

So from my digested info, with the machines that I already have (Clareblend & Hinkel) I have to master the how to use the machines in high energy setting!!!??? Can you please tell me what should the settings be for HF & DC says for underarms & legs of says around 60 units of lye so that each follicle released within 2 sec on average?

So far, I have never set the RF above 63 (higher than that client wont tolerate the feeling) & DC never be more than 1 miliAmp. With such setting it took around 4-6 sec to release each hair within 4-6 sec on average.
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#126229 - 04/14/18 12:28 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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I cant tell you. I dont work anything like Michael or Josepha do. I did try and do some fast blend experiments back in the day but I cant say I ever got it right. Generally I think the thermolysis pulse is lasting half a second to 1 second so you may not need to turn your settings up as high as you think. The Dc is mostly an aftercurrent it's the thermolysis that does the heavy lifting.Think along the lines of what it would take to do a normal thermolysis treatment in under a second, then add a second of galvanic on 1ma to seal the deal.
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