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#126230 - 04/14/18 12:34 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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melb if you look in Michaels book the blend method there's a good description on how to find your working point in thermolysis.
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#126231 - 04/14/18 01:05 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Hi Seana

Thank u very much for your advice.
I'll probably re-read Michael's book the Blend again today. But I'm still awaiting for info of those answers.
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#126238 - 04/14/18 03:34 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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#126240 - 04/14/18 08:56 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Hi Seana,

With reference to page 117 Figure 7, when the hair is from 30 unit of lye or thicker, the book only suggest to treat each hair for minimum of 6 sec. But I have find my working point where each follicle can b treated for 4-6 sec on average (sometime I used Bono's body technic).
My issue is I wish to treat each hair follicle within 2 sec on average.
How can I do it safely with the machine I currently have got? I believe any higher energy settings require proper insulated needle (by that I mean around 1mm or less of insulation from the skin surface so that the energy still working where the bulge suppose to b)
On the top of my head, Michael Bono suggested in his books at least 4 sec should allow galvanic to work in each follicle. But it took too long to clear the big area.
I wish to clear the big body area (1st clearance) says within the first session or 2 (within 6-8 hrs in total) & then using Bono's blend technique for later clearance for lower regrowth rate. It takes around 4 clearances to clear all the BODY area permanently using blend technique with uninsulated needle.
But the quicker technique I believe not enough time for the energy to destroy all follicle containing hair stem cells & growth factors, thus higher regrowth rate. But at least I can significantly increase client's commitment to continue to finish the whole journey since they have the feeling of not having the unwanted hair for the 1st time.


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#126241 - 04/15/18 12:07 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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gosh my copy is at the office, and I'm having pc problems with my portable so I dont currently have a computer and the book in the same place:) so I'll have to wait to reference.
By all means, do use an insulated needle. It will help with your energy levels and with putting that energy in the right place.
Michael has stated several times in the past that what he presents in the book, is not the way he practises.You have to throw away the rule book for blend, ( or at the least the unit of lye calculations part)
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#126242 - 04/15/18 01:07 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Hi Seana

I'll try.

Thank u,
Nora
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#126245 - 04/15/18 09:14 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Think "Grammar!"

When you learn any new language, you have to think about the various rules of grammar. Once you know the language you no longer have to think about the rules ... at all. For example, when you speak your native language, I'm sure you never form the sentences in your head first (with proper grammar) before speaking. (Okay, nowadays we have to think about PRONOUNS!)

In the early days, the blend machines had no DC meters. Hinkel watched what his operators were doing (how they found the balance of currents) and only then he put meters on the machines to discover more precisely what they were doing. Hinkel formulated the "Units of Lye" chart based on what people were already doing. Not the other way around.

And, this is exactly how grammar is developed. "Rule makers" create "rules" in language based on how people are already speaking. The language comes first ... and the grammar is formulated later. (That's why grammar is never perfect.) The first mistake was when Hinkel (actually Bill Schuler) put a "unit computer" on the machine and started to tie people into this "rule nonsense." (Hinkel himself was opposed to the "unit computer.") I also emphasized the "chart," and other manufacturers computerized the whole damn thing.

If I owned a school, I would cover up all the meters and gizmos and have the students find their working point organically using their hands and eyes. Rules and computers cannot supplant the operator's skill or judgement. You don't have to break the rules, but you do have to know what constitutes a good treatment. These are two different things.

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#126246 - 04/15/18 09:26 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Additionally, I get a few emails daily that ask, "What are your settings?" I don't even respond. Why?

The question makes no sense. It would be like somebody asking you, "How many "RPMs" do produce in your motor to drive your car?"

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#126248 - 04/15/18 10:50 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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The best answer to professional newbie electrologists or do-it-yourselfers about settings is, start low and work it up until the hair releases ...... AND the skin looks fine. I get those questions, too, and they cannot be answered precisely because of so many variables. Using a size 2 Gold probe is different than using a size 6 Gold probe. Insertions must be perfect, especially so when doing thermolysis. If insertions are not perfect, the tendency is to turn up the energy level, which is not good.

Hairtell is not a place to educate consumers about the art and skill of doing electrolysis, though we do say general things that can be helpful.
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#126249 - 04/15/18 10:55 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Dee just described the process for finding your working point (same as the book).
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