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#126260 - 04/16/18 10:18 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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I use synchro on my xcell to remove hairs with thermolysis every day with no traction whatsoever in under 1/2 a second. There are thermolysis currents available on every amachine out there that can do the same. All "computerized epilators" have the same sability pretty much. So you work up and find the "working point" by gradually increasing the timing and intensity until a clean release is achieved. at that point, then you add your DC currents and replicate the thermolysis settings in a blend treatment.
As has been stated to you, none of this follows any formula or rule books for doing blend, and the amount and type of current is individual to the situation, type and location of hair, probe size accurcy of insertions .No one can give you a number because every situation is different, right down to the type and calibration of machine.You just find your thermoolysis working point, then add the desired amount of DC aftercurrent. Having been one of the people who pestered Michael Josepha and others for those settings in the past, I can tell you the only settings that exist are what you come up with.

I can tell you of all the electrologists who have tried to replicate Michael or Josepha's work, I dont know of any who have been successful.


Edited by Iluv2zap (04/16/18 10:20 AM)
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#126281 - 04/17/18 12:34 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Thank you everyone. Yes it is correct nowadays I dont even care abt the lye unit (grammar thingie) anymore. All I care is the diameter, angle of insertion & the depth of
both hair & the needle &
the speed & the skin reaction

So I have to find my way around to work with D machines (they r legends) that I already hv got. Also I hv to figuring out with the insulate & uninsulated needles to yield the faster techniques. Whatever my skill around at that level, surely it gets better with time & experience.


Edited by melb_aussie (04/17/18 12:39 PM)
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#126282 - 04/17/18 01:02 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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I'm obsessed with the faster technique because of my background & the lack of commitment I hv encountered with some of my clients.

I have had my lower legs hair removed by Kobayashi Yamada Method via Japanese IME machine around 1998 in medical clinic in Bangkok Thailand. The set up each session was that I had 2 therapists performed the task on each leg. Each follicle take less than a second or 2 & First few clearances of such WHOLE large area for both lower legs took around 4-6 hrs.
Each session = Each Clearance of the whole area.

As per, respected Michael Bono said in his book (one of my bibles) regrowth rate will be higher due to too short cooking time. I think I spent around 12-14 sessions to have all hairs of my lower legs hair permanently removed over a yr by that clinic. But many others are a bit lower due to my hormonal imbalance issue.

My aim is to clear all the BODY hairs in one big area within the first 2 session of around 8 hrs in total. Then use blend for later clearances to reduce the regrowth rate. The reason for this is that I want the WOW feeling from the clients. How would the clients feel to have such area hair free for the 1st time. I hope this would encourage their COMMITMENT to continue & finish the whole journey.


Edited by melb_aussie (04/17/18 01:03 PM)
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#126283 - 04/17/18 01:34 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Please note:
skin reaction is the skin reaction. They r the same process no matter what electro-surgical methods have applied to the skin. With skillful hands, I had never felt I had been plucking nor Kobayashi Yamada method drawn blood. The hair (hair + colourless follicle) came out the same as other methods if done properly.

Purely based on my experiences, for Japanese & Thai Doctors IME is one of very few legend machines that r still used till today. Super hard to grab hold.


Edited by melb_aussie (04/17/18 01:40 PM)
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#126284 - 04/17/18 01:41 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Why not simply use flash for the first clearances?

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#126291 - 04/17/18 10:49 PM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: melb_aussie]
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Why not use blend? Or pure galvanic zapmyface?

I will tell you zapmyface that for all of my own face, I used blend.Considering the courseness and hair density of course deep mens beard hairs it often took me 2 cycles of the coursest setting on my SM-500 ( literally the predecessor to the machine Dimi uses) .to get a clean release of the hair. So average 10-12 secnds per cycle for a total 20-24 seconds with blend currents running. Why? Because thats what it took to kill those big hairs. So mens hair is inherently differently structured than womens are, it takes more electrolysis energy to affect the deep course hairs. So my 20-24 seconds of blend, per hair was reasonable. But can you imagine how much that slowed my progress working on myself? It took me, on my own face, hundreds of hours. And you want to know something? I get complemented all the time on my skin quality. The blend treatments left that good of a result.
But for the last 2 years, professionally, I've mostly practiced flash thermolysis, either synchro, or picoflash on snazzy new kit.And the work is better than its ever been.

What I'm getting at is it doesnt matter the modality. The different modality makes no difference on the result.They are all just a means to an end. The reality is I think I can accomplish that goal more efficiently with synchro, and the results show me I'm not wrong, but I could get to that same place, in any modality but it's not often a transgirl wants me to spend 400 hours clearing her beard.It's a hard sell to be sure.

I have a couple clients with minimal growth who love their blend treatments. It's very rewarding when I get the chance to do it.

Seana


Edited by Iluv2zap (04/17/18 10:52 PM)
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#126293 - 04/18/18 08:18 AM Re: Manual vs Computerised Electrolysis? [Re: Iluv2zap]
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Thanks Seana, but OP said she wanted to clear the area really fast in the first 1-2 clearances but never talked about using flash (which in terms of speed only could be faster) and I just wanted to know the reason.

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