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#126267 - 04/16/18 02:35 PM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
Iluv2zap Offline
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Scabbing is the normal result of electrolysis performed on body areas.on facial areas (above the jawline) this is not the case but you can still get some limited scabbing.scabs if present should be small and insignificant about the size of a pinhead.while not desirable, it's definitely not something to be concerned with.

And this zapmyface, is why present a non-alarmist point of view.in the vast majority of cases, minor scabbing resolves completely.
To OP, I recommend going on YouTube and searching for the channel "Electrology Now" . Have a look at 2 of the videos Mike bono presents here, first the healing skin video series and second chin dents and scars.
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#126270 - 04/17/18 02:26 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
Caroline.CZ Offline
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zapmyface: The new electrologist had to avoid the area and work around, so the area was touched just once.

Iluv2zap: Minor scabs are normal and I can deal with them. The thing is, I was left with connected scabs that were like 5mm big in some places. The area after treatment also leeked plasma like hell. I experienced no such thing with the other electrologist. I might find the picture after the treatment to show the scabs.

Thanks for the tip I will try to look at some youtube videos.

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#126273 - 04/17/18 07:01 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
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What you're describing is exactly what happened to me. After 2 years I've still got scars. I'd be the first one to tell people who come here with their ridiculous skin reactions that it's the normal process, but sadly what happened to some of us isn't. I'm not saying you'll get scared too, but if you're at that stage I believe you've got a chance to be. Welcome to level 2? lol

I have a theory about skin healing though, for the rare people that will get permanently scarred, the ''waiting strategy'' doesn't seem to do too much good in the cosmetic sense that we want, what if an aggressive repair treatment (controlled skin injury like laser/needling/etc) as soon as possible (but how soon though) yielded more effective results? I have no idea if it would help or aggravate the cosmetic aspect. (Key word of this paragraph is cosmetic!)

The caveat if this worked would be that everyone would start doing it because they'd all think their temporary skin reactions would form scars, and at that point I'm sure more people would scar themselves with the repair treatments themselves (just kidding... but maybe not)!

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#126275 - 04/17/18 09:01 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: zapmyface]
Caroline.CZ Offline
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I think that the best bet is to wait util the pigment fades and if there is any scaring left by then, it will have to be treated preferably with CO2 resurfacing laser. I will ofcourse consult specialist. I also use a Strataderm gel, that is proven to heal and prevent scars. I dont know what good it will do since the real problem is under the skin and it is hard to tell how far the gel penetrates. Better than nothing I guess.

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#126276 - 04/17/18 09:27 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
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I've spoken at length with Dr. Chapple and he confirms what I've seen for years. Deep dermal contraction scars? Virtually nothing will eradicate them. Certain treatments will give you temporary results, but you cannot restore your skin to the original condition. (The scar tissue that forms from treating a large terminal hair is as deep as it gets!)

Leaking blood plasma and scabs that conjoin can result in deep contraction scars that line-up and give you a characteristic crease. When a client contacts me with these problems, I usually know right where these lesions are located: chin, sides of the upper lip and (less frequently) in the side-burn area. Why?

Part of the problem is the urgency that patients communicate ... "get this off NOW!" I'm not blaming the patient, but the "NOW attitude" pressures the electrologist to hurry-up. Most electrologists accommodate. The chin, especially, is very easy to clear. The hairs are in perfect focus, usually nice and fat, and grow straight out of the follicle. As I said in my video, the chin lures the electrologist into over-treatment. This mistake is so common it makes me sick.

How would you feel if your electrologist skipped around and, say, removed only 25% of those big fat hairs on your chin and left the rest of them (let's say, your beard)? What about leaving a bunch of hairs on your upper lip? You'd scream bloody-murder! However, if you want certainty in not getting permanent scars, that's what I recommend you do. But you won't! (If you were my patient, I would fight with you; and I'd win! All for YOUR sake in the end.)

There are other treatment options, and plenty of savvy electrologists will appease the patient's demands yet still produce good results. Lower intensity with the probability of more regrowth ... and, presumably, thinning without scars. But that's another issue.


Edited by Michael Bono (04/17/18 09:31 AM)

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#126277 - 04/17/18 09:37 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
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Well technically all those popular repair treatments do the same thing in the sense that it injures the skin so it'll then repair itself better, like a ''remodelling'' so to speak.

No clue what Strataderm is supposed to do, but it seems pretty useless for electrolysis damage (dermal contraction scars in the dermis, as Michael here explained to me) as it only seems to be ''managing'' the formation of scars on the surface, and not even prevent or remove them (words on their website).

I might have heard of a method to remove those types of scars... scar subcision. A big con with this is it might create a scar to repair another scar (the irony) but maybe worth it for much bigger scars and not our comparably small electro damage.

https://www.lasersandlifts.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/microneedling-acne-scar-brisbane.jpg (needling vs subcision)


Edited by zapmyface (04/17/18 09:54 AM)

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#126278 - 04/17/18 09:40 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
Michael Bono Offline

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Caroline ...

I used Photoshop to clean-up your photo and, in your specific case, I think your skin will heal just fine.

I'm not saying this to just make you feel better ... it's what I see. You can fiddle with creams and lotions, but in the long run they will have no effect.

Except for one tiny area, I think your skin will return to normal (also your problem is, thankfully, not in the most critical chin area).

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#126279 - 04/17/18 10:12 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
Michael Bono Offline

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One part of this scenario (maybe a tactic I'm exposing?), is that eventually the client stops noticing the damage.

I mean, if you really wait a year or more for it to look better, it will look better ... because your get used to it.

This is a common tactic that I have seen cosmetic surgeons, and others in the beauty trade, use. Time may not heal the wound, but it will heal your perception of it.

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#126280 - 04/17/18 10:44 AM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: dfahey]
zapmyface Offline
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Excuse me, I've said the exact same thing here yesterday, I'll sue you for copyright infringement! I SHALL REPLACE YOU AS THE NEW BONO 2.0!

Just kidding, as I'm sure you've already said it many times here already lol... All kidding aside, what did you mean by ''issue''?

Originally Posted By Michael Bono

There are other treatment options, and plenty of savvy electrologists will appease the patient's demands yet still produce good results. Lower intensity with the probability of more regrowth ... and, presumably, thinning without scars. But that's another issue.

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#126294 - 04/18/18 12:04 PM Re: TEMPORARY SIDE EFFECTS WITH ELECTROLYSIS [Re: Michael Bono]
Caroline.CZ Offline
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Registered: 04/07/18
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Hi Michael, thanks for the reply and going the extra length with Photoshop. Thanks for the comfort. It eased my worries and let me relax a bit. I am still prepared for the worst, but just knowing that the pigment will go away is relieve. I have a new picture and it is in full sunlight, so it should be better. I am also using the Strataderm gel and I don't know if it is just me or the cream works, but it seems to be fading slowly after I started using it. It might just be the natural healing process who knows.


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