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#126486 - 05/05/18 09:57 AM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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The local anesthetic (with epi) sort of creates "dead skin," in that no effects are seen. There are many physiological reasons for this, but if an electrologist is using local, it's truly like flying an airplane with "no visible," and only on instruments. For this reason, many in our trade think that anesthetic itself causes overtreatment. That's not the case. It's only that judgement is compromised because the operator is working on a "corpse."

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#126487 - 05/05/18 10:27 AM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
zapmyface Offline
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Well if some electrologists don't know what can cause damage, they haven't read Hinkel's or your book, have they!

I agree about saving the clients from themselves. What if the risks were clearly explained before doing an intense clearance on a danger zone, do you think the client would still be willing to risk it?

I'm guessing those who know about the ''danger zones'' that have clients demanding a full clearance will under-treat the hair... but is that really efficient? I think you already answered this question on some other thread : )

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#126488 - 05/05/18 10:48 AM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
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Goes like this. I finished up a M/F transgender about 6-months ago.

When I worked on the upper lip, I left (at first) most of the beard hairs. The client already knew it was going to look terrible (beard hairs that cannot be shaved for a day or two). The client never objected and we worked with it (treatments on Friday night ... and hiding-out for the weekend). So, a little discomfort at the beginning = big results later on: perfect skin in the "danger zones."

Clients can scream and complain all they want ... I won't do what they want if I know it will cause a bad outcome. It makes me sick when clients come to Hairtell (mostly clients and almost zero electrologists ... okay 3 - 4), and then have to instruct their own electrologist how to proceed. Is this "nuts" or what?

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#126489 - 05/05/18 11:20 AM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
zapmyface Offline
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YOU DIDN'T CLEAR THE WHOLE AREA! HERESY!

THE HAIR WON'T BE IN THE RIGHT PHASE NEXT TIME! ARE YOU SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING MICHAEL!!!???

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#126490 - 05/05/18 11:36 AM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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There's always room for improvement!

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#126491 - 05/05/18 12:22 PM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
Iluv2zap Offline
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So 2 weeks ago, I finished off what ws a full clearance of a beard on a new to treatment transprson.,. I worked primarily for 5 hours the chin, upper lip, and neck, as 3 other electrologists has already "clearcut" the cheeks.High power synchro. Zero negative effect. No lymph fluid. Start to finish a great treatment.While I can understand being respectful of the "danger areas" this client had already gone through 3 electrologists looking for one who would do what they wanted. Having warned them heavily of the possible negative outcome, they still wanted to do this full clearance as they were off work for a few months and wanted to get it done while they had time. It's the third time I've done a clearance like that on a transperson. I did make sure they understood the risks and made them sign that they had been advised this was a bad idea and not to do it, and took full responsibility and protected me from litigation in the event of a poor outcome.Sometimes, you have to do what the client wants.

What do you expect from a "hack" like me.

Seana


Edited by Iluv2zap (05/05/18 12:28 PM)
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#126492 - 05/05/18 12:40 PM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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As "they" say, "It all depends."

I know when it's safe to clear and when it's not. No possible way I can explain this in text ... after decades of doing this, you just know.

A few years ago, I was working in surgery and the patient wanted several procedures at the same time. We got to the first two, and the surgeon said, "Okay, that's it ... she's had enough." I can't tell you how he knew this, but after years of doing your craft ... you know.

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#126493 - 05/05/18 12:45 PM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Iluv2zap]
zapmyface Offline
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I secretly wish that person gets scars one day. Just kidding lol...

Also, just an observation, but if the entire clearance took 5h, it probably means that there wasn't a lot of hair, or that they weren't very dense, or both! For example, my face takes at the very least 16h, and I'm not even counting the mouth/moustache area!

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#126496 - 05/05/18 03:12 PM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
Iluv2zap Offline
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I worked primarily the chin and neck. The cheeks were already done and my ex-employer had worked for a half hour or so on the upper lip before me ( andshe is no slouch either efficiency wise) . I would say the chin was quite dense, the neck a little less so but still considerable deep thick hairs. When I get going however there are very few electrologists that can keep up with my speed.Especially in a clear-cutting situation like this I can easily zap 10 or so hairs in quick succession and remove them all at once, with dark pigmented hairs giving an excellent accuracy on the angle of insertion, I canremove a hell of a lot of hair in 5 hours. Think in the range of 5000 or thereabouts .

How horrible to have such evil thoughts for her progress! Unfortunately I'm going to have to disappoint you, other than some minor swelling and numbness( chin of course) , no ill effects were noted in 2 weeks time, she has been coming back weekly for 1 hours sessions to snag any regrowth or slow growing/telogen hairs . Her skin looks great.

Seana
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http://electrolysisbyseana.com

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#126497 - 05/05/18 03:44 PM Re: Permanent pigmentation change [Re: Kate Blue]
zapmyface Offline
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Interesting, thank you.

Approximately 2,77 hairs per 10 second if I calculated right.

I counted around the same per 10 seconds for my face too. And I mean 5h just covers 1/4 of it. Do I have a very dense beard or something?! Maybe that could be why I got such a strong reaction on the sides of my chin...


Edited by zapmyface (05/05/18 03:47 PM)

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