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#126594 - 05/13/18 10:09 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
Michael Bono Offline

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Whilst we have fun conversations, "Zapmyface" your post illustrates this electrologists eternal frustration with Hairtell: patients offering suggestions/data/definitive answers to other patient's questions; that are inherently incorrect/misleading or even dangerous.

Except for Dee (decades of experience) and Seana (new to the trade), here are virtually no electrologists on this forum because of this one salient reality.

It's like this, after explaining something 350,000 times (to newbies) you can't "freakin" do it anymore. Sure, it sounds new to "y'all" ... it's ancient history to me (us). I know the answer, but won't "go there" for the one-thousandth time. One answer creates five more questions, and on-and-on.

For example somebody, again, is going to post about the horrors of those "permanent" dark dots. Every electrologist will read it and think, "Oh, not this shit again!"

What about a forum that has, for example, a REAL dermatologist that can answer "skin questions" once-and-for-all ... instead of the "pissing in the wind" that is the foundation of most on-line forums? It's something that MIGHT happen in the getting-more-distant future.

Here's the deal: TALK TO YOUR ELECTROLOGIST! Go there first and ask your questions. Maybe read something or watch some videos. If it doesn't make sense, then go to the internet and "ask the world!" That's what I do! (Yeah, I know, people don't read and they want quick answers ... won't watch entire 10-minute videos either.)

Is this what they call a "Mic drop?"

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#126595 - 05/13/18 10:30 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Answer: go on-line and look-up "hair shedding cycle." Therein lies your answer.

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#126596 - 05/13/18 10:33 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Thank you Michael we got there in the end. Are you able to give an estimation of the hair present in the photo?

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#126598 - 05/13/18 10:56 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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What was incorrect in what I said? You don't necessarily have to explain but you could simply tell me what part.

If it's about that ''100% kill rate'' nonsense again I'm gonna have to argue about it... Not because I think that you're wrong, but because of the reality that not every electrologist is as good or experienced as you. You might do that 3 clearance method, but wouldn't you say that what (most?) people experience with other electrologists is much different?

Actually when I answer those types of question, I exactly think about how tiring it must be to explain the same thing over and over, which is why I'm trying to lift some work off the pro's shoulders sort of speak. Granted it's my understanding of it so it could be inherently flawed, however I'm always here to learn.

If you were talking about the % of hidden hairs, I've honestly never seen any numbers about it anywhere (or if I did it was pretty vague). Is this in your book?

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#126599 - 05/13/18 11:16 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Yep, in the book(s) ... mine and all the others: front and center.

I think it's about who/what y'all want to be: informed patients (getting good work), becoming an electrologist, the love/fun of "advice giving" (?).

I don't want to quell anybody's enthusiasm, but the answers are there if a person takes the time to read. Imagine going on an automotive blog and asking, "Why do I have to change the oil?" Then followed by, "What is a piston ring?" Followed by, "How does and IC engine work?"

Still, the best option is to ask your electrologist first. Sure many ARE dolts and have read little-to-nothing themselves, (God bless the unlicensed States!). Maybe asking them pointed questions MIGHT encourage them to do a little reading/studying too? I'm doubtful though ... "don't confuse me with the facts!"

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#126600 - 05/13/18 11:42 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Well my enthusiasm comes from conflicting or vague answers from different electrologists or sources, I'd love to know the truth, that's it. Coincidentally I got conflicting answers with dermatologists too. Which is why I've learned to have extreme skepticism over beauty-related subjects (and why I'm doing my own tests for the most important questions I've got).

You'd be surprised to know that I've read quite a bit of free sources already (and watched all your videos as far as I remember), but I agree that I should probably get on with those more in depth books like yours or Hinkel's (edit: actually I've been reading it for an hour now, I WILL FINISH IT AS SOON AS I CAN!)

I guess Seana was right all along in saying what everyone else was thinking. I'll stop giving my very ''adapted for the client from a client'' simple advice (that I still think I'm right about, at least in my own personal reality of electro).

Actually I'm still unsure as to what I've said was incorrect, anybody else that's not tired of answering those questions can explain? (no rude intent here, I completely understand why some won't)


Edited by zapmyface (05/13/18 12:50 PM)

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#126602 - 05/13/18 12:55 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Now, that's a reasonable question: "How many hairs in the photo?"

Simple: if you have not shaved (or plucked) the area you are looking at (plus/minus)40% -to- (maximum)50% of the follicles in the area.

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#126603 - 05/13/18 01:53 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Thank you Michael

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#126605 - 05/13/18 03:02 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Answer: Opinions are subjective the "Proof is in the pudding". Please see photo below taken in May 2018.



Long answer: Toes treated using Electrolysis (flash thermolysis) in July 2012. One clearance only. Time taken to treat both feet approximately 60 minutes. As you can see considering the time elapsed (6 Years) all hairs treated have not returned, skin condition has actually improved. No other method of hair removal used in the period.

Point of this thread: Thermolysis can be as effective as galvanic or blend. Sessions need not to be planned, you can get it right first time independent of the phase with a competent electrologist, in this case Josefa M Reina.

Forgive me for initially feigning ignorance, it was necessary for me to achieve my goal and showcase the results. Looking forward to your responses. At least we can be united on applauding the results right? smile

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#126606 - 05/13/18 03:24 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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WE'VE ALL BEEN FOOLED LOL I'M SCREAMING AT MY SCREEN!!!

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