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#126607 - 05/13/18 03:30 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
zapmyface Offline
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This proves my point I think though, not everyone will have this achieved in 1 clearance (or even 3-5). This is actually what irks me about electrologists (conflicting results and answers). I can guarantee you that you'd spend several clearances (10+) and several total hours (10+?) with the electrologist that did a chunk of my face (not you Dimi : ). And I never thought she was bad, just wondered if it was efficient or not.

So how the f*** can someone do this in one simple 30min clearance when others have to spend 10x more money and time for the same results?!


Edited by zapmyface (05/13/18 03:32 PM)

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#126608 - 05/13/18 03:31 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
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What do you think of the results? wink

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#126609 - 05/13/18 03:35 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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You won't like me but I'm actually very annoyed by the results. I'm happy for you though.

I just wanna add that I consider most electrologists pretty good (all have pros and cons), but I have a fascination with efficiency.

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#126610 - 05/13/18 04:08 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Originally Posted By zapmyface
This proves my point I think though, not everyone will have this achieved in 1 clearance (or even 3-5). This is actually what irks me about electrologists (conflicting results and answers). I can guarantee you that you'd spend several clearances (10+) and several total hours (10+?) with the electrologist that did a chunk of my face (not you Dimi : ). And I never thought she was bad, just wondered if it was efficient or not.

So how the f*** can someone do this in one simple 30min clearance when others have to spend 10x more money and time for the same results?!


Lol. Brilliant right, are you a believer now? Get it right first time? Good question, I could sit here and tell you although I feel that would be minimizing Josefas dedication and skill set and I have no authority over this. I hope she can make an appearance and discuss further the results for us, enlighten both new and old members of this forum.

Your fascination is a noble pursuit, I've always found her very personable and willing to share her knowledge, the problem may be other electrologists who are not receptive to taking time to understand through the rigours of research and application, which culminates in lesser results quite frankly.

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#126611 - 05/13/18 04:37 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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I'm glad you told us it was my beloved Josefa. (I thought so!)

Here's what you have to understand. When a patient asks questions such as "how long ... etc.," on this blog ... I think about the reality of the work that most will encounter. So, the parameters are wide.

Were you to ask me what I personally would do ... well, that's a different answer.

You will need two more clearance to get 100% of the hairs. This photo looks great and thanks for it.

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#126612 - 05/13/18 04:58 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By Michael Bono
I'm glad you told us it was my beloved Josefa. (I thought so!)

Here's what you have to understand. When a patient asks questions such as "how long ... etc.," on this blog ... I think about the reality of the work that most will encounter. So, the parameters are wide.

Were you to ask me what I personally would do ... well, that's a different answer.

You will need two more clearance to get 100% of the hairs. This photo looks great and thanks for it.


Not a problem at all, the pleasure is all mine as a happy client. I appreciate your feedback.

It's interesting, I actually consider this 100 % and have no intention to have treatment in this area again. Some clients can be overly particular, I'm not one of them. Other areas that are more visible and hard to manage in terms of maintenance or removal I can understand being particular about.

What would you say the percentage reduction here is Michael?

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#126613 - 05/13/18 05:07 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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To be fair I'll only believe it when I see it on my body, nothing personal against anyone but my brain is wired like that. I'd love to be treated by her and witness it myself actually, but I don't wanna impose since I've heard she has a lot of clients/was retired/no clue how to even ask for treatments.

I've seen a few pictures of Josefa's work on this forum (I remember that 2? clearance post on a male beard that removed a good majority of hair somewhere that impressed me). I'd hate to compare electrologists so I'll just compare stories...

1- Josefa's male beard client:

- I'm assuming 2 travels, 2 clearances, doesn't really matter the length of treatment time (FOR ME)
- Didn't have to think about electro and suffer except on 2 damn travel occasions

Result:

- Majority of his beard gone
- Barely no downtime, suffering or damage RELATIVE to the time elapsed

2- Me:

- 60?+ travels, 50? clearances (granted it's near my house but still)
- Having to think about it and suffer (almost) every week

Result:

- Scars on my face (unnoticeable now but still there)
- 1/4 of my beard is gone, and I'm really being generous, plus a few body areas appearing to be a bit thinned
- Having to constantly think about electro every single damn week causes some ''emotional tiredness'' and motivation goes down the toilet if no end in sight (at that rate it will take what, 5 years or more!?)
- Constant temporary skin reactions (my skin looks like crap for weeks if not months after a treatment, and no I don't even mind... just pointing it out for other people with similar stories)

Am I freaking unlucky or something?! And I know that there are people worse off than me! I'm just pointing out the extreme differences! I didn't include total treatment time because it's really not that important FOR ME (a lot of subjectivity in this post). And before some of you feel sorry for me (or think I'm just lying, that's fine too), please know that I'm actively working towards a better approach/efficiency for myself (been testing for 2 months now and will start again once I'm satisfied with my conclusions).

This is mostly a rant lol, sorry.


Edited by zapmyface (05/13/18 05:23 PM)

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#126614 - 05/13/18 06:19 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Photos looks like 50 - 60% reduction. And, this is (actually) what body hair should do.

There are ways to "find" your right therapist, and remember it mostly depends on WHO is doing the work. Whenever I'm heading for a procedure of any kind, I literally take a year to make up my mind. Very little depends on "reputation, nice office, degrees, etc."

How "bad" can it get? Some years ago, I went to another country as an expert witness on an underarm case. (I was already there ... so it was easy.) The woman had 240 hours of work on her underarms and the therapist estimated she was "half done."

(I have never exceeded 8 hours and it's usually a 4 - 6 hour job (total). This area is guaranteed


The patient LOST the hearing, because nobody could produce STANDARDS OF PRACTICE. Therein is the number one problem for consumers. No guidelines, no standards ... no "NOTHIN'!"

Imagine if you had a brake job on your car, and the mechanic said, "Well, we can't give you an estimate. Could be $500, could be $5,000!" Instead, mechanics have their "magic book" that lists the parts and the average hours necessary to do the job. So, mechanics always give you a pretty good estimate.

Standards of Practice for electrology (or laser for that matter), ain't gonna happen. We tried, to no avail. Clients don't know the right questions to ask ... I will get around to it after I get my eye torn out and all healed up.

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#126615 - 05/13/18 06:22 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Originally Posted By NARMA2018
Answer: Opinions are subjective the "Proof is in the pudding". Please see photo below taken in May 2018.



Long answer: Toes treated using Electrolysis (flash thermolysis) in July 2012. One clearance only. Time taken to treat both feet approximately 60 minutes. As you can see considering the time elapsed (6 Years) all hairs treated have not returned, skin condition has actually improved. No other method of hair removal used in the period.

Point of this thread: Thermolysis can be as effective as galvanic or blend. Sessions need not to be planned, you can get it right first time independent of the phase with a competent electrologist, in this case Josefa M Reina.

Forgive me for initially feigning ignorance, it was necessary for me to achieve my goal and showcase the results. Looking forward to your responses. At least we can be united on applauding the results right? smile




AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
_________________________
Seana Richmond
Certified Electrologist.
Electrolysis By Seana
http://electrolysisbyseana.com

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#126616 - 05/13/18 06:34 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Oh I know what questions to ask (you already said it on another post) and I already have my estimate, I just don't think it's efficient compared to you for example. It would truly take 5 years or more to finish my beard at the rate I was going.

The difference between 8 vs 240 hours is disgustingly staggering. Even double the time is unfair enough...

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