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#126617 - 05/13/18 06:47 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
Iluv2zap Offline
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Originally Posted By zapmyface
Well my enthusiasm comes from conflicting or vague answers from different electrologists or sources, I'd love to know the truth, that's it. Coincidentally I got conflicting answers with dermatologists too. Which is why I've learned to have extreme skepticism over beauty-related subjects (and why I'm doing my own tests for the most important questions I've got).

You'd be surprised to know that I've read quite a bit of free sources already (and watched all your videos as far as I remember), but I agree that I should probably get on with those more in depth books like yours or Hinkel's (edit: actually I've been reading it for an hour now, I WILL FINISH IT AS SOON AS I CAN!)

I guess Seana was right all along in saying what everyone else was thinking. I'll stop giving my very ''adapted for the client from a client'' simple advice (that I still think I'm right about, at least in my own personal reality of electro).

Actually I'm still unsure as to what I've said was incorrect, anybody else that's not tired of answering those questions can explain? (no rude intent here, I completely understand why some won't)


And this, was the point of my comments to you. It's very difficult to tell you "what's wrong with what your saying " or what part is incorrect, when you dont have a full understanding of the topic. So I've tried to refer you over to those sources that can help with that. I'm afraid my time is limited these days and sometimes, its better that you seek that knowledge from the source than my trying to regurgitate it.

I have a third text I'm going to recommend to you, I want to make sure I have all the information right for it so I'll wait till I'm at the office and have it in my hot little hands.

SO, I know you're resistant to "learning the art of electrology" but the answers you seek, the "big picture" is well part of the art of electrology. I cant teach you everything you need to know, but if you're jumping in to answer qquestions in an effort to be "helpful" well, I can tell you it wasnt that many years ago I got the same reaction to a very similar effort. I can still hear Michael complaining about the "authority" with which I communicated completely incorrect or irrelelvant information. So I'll tell you the same thing the then moderator James Walker told me "We want you asking, and answering , questions." But we also want that information to be correct, and the best way for us to do THAT, is to teach you all about electrology. So that you can see the "big picture".

It's really tempting to jump in with that "one key bit" but I urge you to ask question, rather than authoritive statements. You need to learn how those "key bits" fit in with all the other bits before offering them up as advice.

And I can tell you, that that is EXACTLY how I got my start in electrology.

I'm not really a bitch you know. Well some days I can be, but in general, no.

Seana
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#126618 - 05/13/18 06:57 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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NARMA2018, you only got electro on the toes (and not the midfoot/front), right? If so, I count approximatively 150 visible hairs on those in your ''before'' picture, and around 10 in your ''after''.

I'm no expert, but if we account that a good % (let's say 50% for simplicity) of hairs weren't visible at the time, wouldn't this mean that the total number of hairs would be around 300? And since a 100% ''kill rate'' will only remove the visible hairs (150), wouldn't that mean that there would be 150 remaining? Yet there are only 10 visible ones on the 2nd pic, does that mean 140 are hidden?!

If you truly did only get a single clearance, it would mean that most (if not all) of the hairs were visible when you got treated, and that they pretty much all got successfully zapped, no?

I WANNA GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS... EXPLAIN THAT HAIRTELL!

(Edited for clarity and wrong math on my part)


Edited by zapmyface (05/13/18 08:07 PM)

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#126619 - 05/13/18 07:04 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Iluv2zap]
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Seana, I agree that I need to learn everything about electro (even if I don't necessarily wanna practice it)! I actually started reading Hinkel's book today.

Also, it was never my intention to be knowledgable, I always assumed that everyone knew I was a newbie and was mostly asking questions (there are often interrogations in-between my ''statements'').

In my head I always sound like I'm saying a question or unsure information, but in writing maybe some people saw that I tried to be that annoying person trying to give advice on every single post he saw lol.

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#126620 - 05/13/18 07:08 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Narma, did you have local anesthetic with the procedure?

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#126621 - 05/13/18 08:11 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
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Good point. Yes that's my guess too all were visible. For me this is 95 percent plus reduction from what was there originally. Michael 50%?

My theory: You know when killer whales attack a great white and kill it by holding it in tonic immobility essentially suffocating it.
A decaying shark sends a chemical signal to other sharks of the same species to flight instead of fight. The other great whites dive down to unprecedented depths and flee the area. They'd rather dive deep and cross oceans than encounter killer whales. Well, basically the hidden hairs know Josie is around and for the last 6 years reside at unprecedented depths. smile

https://youtu.be/U_j5UC1ykcY

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#126622 - 05/13/18 08:13 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By Michael Bono
Narma, did you have local anesthetic with the procedure?


That's right Michael with local anaesthetic.

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#126624 - 05/13/18 09:48 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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NArma,
Wow I'm super surprised that you used anesthetic on the toes. I suppose I shouldnt be? While I've had some clients endure endless treatments on the fingers and toes without complaint, I've had others tell me it was very uncomfortable to have done.But I have never had anyone use so much as a topical on their fingers or toes, and it's an area I'm called to work on fairly frequently.

Now the answer to your question zapmyface, how is it Josepha can treat and destroy so many of the hairs at once? The answer, lies in both skill, and implementation.Josepha has brute experience ( over 30 years) which mean she is highly skilled. This skill level is essential to doing that level of work.And it's a matter of targeting the right place with enough energy to accomplish the kill.So , what's the trick?
With any area, Josepha starts by instructing the client to do nothing at all, to the hairs.Not shaved, not waxed ,plucked, just leave the area alone. Areas like fingers and toes, tend to get a lot of hairs staying in the follicle for long periods after their growth cycle.So You'll find a large percentage of hairs in telogen in that area, and only a few in anogen.By instructing the client to not do anything to the area, for up to a year if possible, there will be the maximum number of hairs present to be treated. And Josepha knows she can kill hair in ANY stage of hair growth by targeting the stem cells present in the bulge of the follicle.
So when you combine the maximum number of hair follicles available for treatment with highly skilled insertions targeting the specific area needed to disable the hair, a practised eye able to easily distinguish one hairs growth phase from another prior to epilation , you end up with a higher percentage of the hair follicles killed in a single session.
That'sa little bit, about why people like Michael or Josepha's treatments are able to be done in so few clearances.For the rest, you have to learn how to zap and actually experience it and gain experience like Josepha posesses.

Seana
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#126626 - 05/13/18 10:22 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Iluv2zap]
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I see, while I have no issue believing that she can kill pretty much every hair visible at the time (ok there's a part of me that thinks it's a bit too good to be true, but I'm open to it), wouldn't that prove that there was almost no ''hidden'' hairs at that time.

So this quote from Michael on this same thread is actually false (unless my understanding is false):
Originally Posted By Michael Bono
Now, that's a reasonable question: "How many hairs in the photo?"

Simple: if you have not shaved (or plucked) the area you are looking at (plus/minus)40% -to- (maximum)50% of the follicles in the area.


Sorry to put you on the spot Michael, but I need to know the truth!

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#126627 - 05/13/18 10:30 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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I'm not on the spot, because I don't do "truth." "Truth" is for religions.

Most importantly is the treatment benefit of local anesthetic ... the big "red herring" in electrology. Not just pain, but in the actual treatment itself. This subject deserves a book, say, of about 150 pages.

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#126628 - 05/13/18 10:37 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
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[/quote]

Sorry to put you on the spot Michael, but I need to know the truth!
[/quote]

You sound like Mulder from the X-files. You do have a point though.


Edited by NARMA2018 (05/13/18 10:39 PM)

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