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#126629 - 05/13/18 10:44 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
Michael Bono Offline

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Thing is, I have never been a "bean counter." I'm interested, as I say so often people "roll their eyes," it's the total treatment time that counts ... ONLY! Indeed, some people seem to get better results from one clearance ... others, not so much. However, in 3-shots over, you'll be done.

People want to count hairs ... count seconds ... count the rings of Saturn. It all comes down to the time you take to finish the job. The idea of "truth" seem to connote the notion that somebody is "hiding the truth." Puleeze!

And, putting me in the same sentence with Josefa is not accurate. She has much better results than I do. Looking at that original hairy foot, I'd say I would need 1-hour for ONE foot alone. Maybe I'll look at the photo again, but at the moment I'm too lazy. Been sanding floors all day.

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#126630 - 05/13/18 11:07 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Well it seems like at least one of us 3 has said ''a lie'' (sorry the translation here sounds weird). I'm 100% prepared for it to be me with my possible flawed understanding, but there are other possibilities too... It could be NARMA's deceitful picture (more than one clearance for example), or Michael's statement that approximatively 50% hairs were present at the time (it could be that for toes, the % is much higher, think almost 95%, than other body parts for example).

It might seem trivial for you, but I love little details like these! However I'm wondering if I should stop pushing this further since I've probably annoyed too many people in the past few days already...


Edited by zapmyface (05/13/18 11:09 PM)

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#126631 - 05/13/18 11:17 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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There's also the possibility that we're all correct and that this specific case was some sort of extreme luck in the sense that at that specific time, all was aligned for all the hairs to be present and Josefa actually killing all of them. That sounds like a good compromise right?

I GOT A BETTER ONE, NARMA IS IN FACT JOSEFA PROMOTING HER SERVICES! I SEE YOU NOW! Just kidding!

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#126632 - 05/13/18 11:31 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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"Flawed, deceitful, LIES." LIES?? Your words ... damn, what a Schmuck!

You are thinking like an engineer ... humans are biological and cannot be squeezed into your "truth." By the way, there is no way in hell that you'd ever be a client of mine. Just saying.

Over the years, when I dared give my own on-line estimates, I would get real hate mail from other electrologists! One zapper in New York called and screamed on the phone, "How dare you ..." One very graphic lecture to an association resulted in a near riot of animosity ...

So, navigating this sensitive "estimates" subject has to be politically correct, or you will suffer the consequences (Josefa has suffered these too). I try to give "estimates" that are general, and will be satisfactory to other operators; within the scope of probability.

One thing for absolute certain, I will never offer such suggestions again. I don't do "gottcha!" And, I don't count beans! Annoyed? Well, you got that right!

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#126633 - 05/14/18 12:05 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
zapmyface Offline
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Hey hey now, I've been nothing but respectful to you and everyone and tried to find a good compromise in this thread.

It had nothing to do with your estimates, but simply about the normal amount (or %) of hidden hairs at any given time on a normal human body (or area).

I have no clue about it, which is why I'm trying to find ''the truth'', or some kind of understanding of it. I guess my words didn't translate well since I would never want to annoy anyone...

Actually hearing you say that you wouldn't want me as a client truly makes me feel horrible, since I was hoping I'd get to have a chance with you after you got your surgery. Oh well!

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#126640 - 05/14/18 11:25 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Here's your addition to your reading list:
Cosmetic & Medical Electrolysis & Temporary Hair Removal by Dr . Richards and G.E. MEharg R.N.
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Seana Richmond
Certified Electrologist.
Electrolysis By Seana
http://electrolysisbyseana.com

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#126644 - 05/14/18 03:17 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
zapmyface Offline
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I just read this entire thread again to see what the f*** happened and I've concluded that my personality and ideas aren't too welcomed on this forum. If I ever decide to start electro again I'll be sure to never ask any questions and try to not care as much, it's for the best!

Best wishes to all, see ya!

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#126646 - 05/14/18 03:44 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
stoppit&tidyup Offline
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I read a couple of posts only.

Seems like zapmyface has a hard time believing Josefa's work. But that's why she's Josefa. I think the biggest hurdle in other electrologist's results being incomparable is because they don't know that this kind of work is possible and how to go about achieving it. How many years have we been on HairTell for now? And in this time did Josefa EVER stop trying to improve her own work? She tried and tested Laurier probes everyone else was too sceptical about the improvements they offer to bother. All the people I know personally (including my own family members) have been happy with 1-2 clearances for body work.

For me, Michael quotes a (still respectable) 3-5 clearances to accommodate the fact that not every electrologist is going to kill every hair they treat. Not every client is going to show up with an area they haven't touched in 6 months prior. Not every first clearance is going to clear 100% of the hairs in the area even if said client does. However, assuming hairs removed/min is roughly the same between two electrologists, the TTT should be roughly the same.
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#126647 - 05/14/18 03:54 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
Iluv2zap Offline
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omg stop taking it personally. I just told you, we WANT you asking questions,we want you to dig out those fears. I can personally tell you, that it was exactlythe same when I came here with all of my fears,preconceptions, and hunt for knowledge. Not welcomed?Nonsense! You've been told countless times to challenge those notions you dont understand and question. Believe me when I tell you, there is no one here going "We arent gonna welcome this person because they question everything".
I've tried to guide you in a posative direction and outlet for those questions and insecurities.

Years ago, Dee challenged some factoid I was talking about. I remember commenting to Michael( privately)that I believed Dee hated me. Michael was quick to point out this was far from the case, and in fact,he was Right, Dee is a sweetheart and one of my favourite professionals to work with.It's easy to take offense in a text only medium when vocal and visual cues that indicate a different inflection are absent.

Stop being offended!No offense has been taken by anyone here.

Your entrance into hairtell reminds me a LOT of my own some years ago. Complete with the same "everyone is against me" insecurities. Truth be told, more than a few of them were rooting for me, not being dismissive. I see that same passion in you, which is why I've done my best to encourage you.
Dont let the internal gremlins, over-rule that passion.

Seana
_________________________
Seana Richmond
Certified Electrologist.
Electrolysis By Seana
http://electrolysisbyseana.com

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#126648 - 05/14/18 03:57 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
NARMA2018 Offline
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Originally Posted By zapmyface
Well it seems like at least one of us 3 has said ''a lie'' (sorry the translation here sounds weird). I'm 100% prepared for it to be me with my possible flawed understanding, but there are other possibilities too... It could be NARMA's deceitful picture (more than one clearance for example), or Michael's statement that approximatively 50% hairs were present at the time (it could be that for toes, the % is much higher, think almost 95%, than other body parts for example).

It might seem trivial for you, but I love little details like these! However I'm wondering if I should stop pushing this further since I've probably annoyed too many people in the past few days already...


That's understandable. Perspective is a great thing, which is why I understand you. There is a lot of charlatans out there, everyone has their presentiments and you should not be admonished for them. That being said I am not one of them nor do I consider lying to be the staple of my diet, nor am I offended easily by your suggestions even if others consider them abhorrent. So staying true to myself and objectivity continue reading.

I can tell you that only one clearance was necessary. Josefa gets it right first time. You make a good point about the hidden hairs etc, Josie will be able to explain this more effectively with clarity.

Just be patient and check back to this thread eventually all will be made clear.


Edited by NARMA2018 (05/14/18 04:00 PM)

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