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#126810 - 06/02/18 03:56 AM Which factors affect skin side effects?
Scurvy Offline
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Hey everyone.

After having received electrolysis from two different electrologists with two different machines, the condition of my skin is completely different depending on who I see.

The first has a rather new machine with more capabilities. She uses blend, activates the current for maybe 3 seconds, very minimal pain, and she seems to treat more slowly. After treatment, my skin is red as though I've been badly sunburnt, but it subsides within less than a day and I look as though my skin hasn't even been touched.

The second has a rather old machine, probably over 20 years old. She uses blend, activates the current for around 1 to 2 seconds, and the pain is noticeably higher, and she seems to treat more quickly and is very thorough. After treatment, my skin is lumpy and pink, and noticeably dry and red (like razor burn) for roughly four or five days afterwards.

I'm curious what would cause a difference in the side effects. Is the machine relevant, the settings, both or none?

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#126811 - 06/02/18 04:36 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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This is a very interesting question. Can two different machine can induce different skin reaction from electrolysis treatment?

Does a “old machine” is more agressive for the skin ? Does slow blend is better for the skin than quick blend ?

Let see what the pros think
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#126814 - 06/02/18 08:52 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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Too many factors go into this to make a determination. The BIG one is operator. Were this one operator with two closely related machines (same modality), then a better comparison could be made.

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#126816 - 06/02/18 09:18 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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Totally agree with Mike. Comparison should b best performed by the same operator.
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#126817 - 06/02/18 10:38 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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The following test would be very interesting:

Treat an area with the same type/hair density in the arm for exemple, with two differents machine with the same settings and same needle. I would be very curious to see that.

One of the difficulties that can happen is the calibrations of the machine’s settings. It can distort the result of the test.

What do you think ?

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#126818 - 06/02/18 11:29 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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This is a very good idea Roselake !
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#126819 - 06/02/18 12:20 PM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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In engineering field there are rules to how to perform a test to see the effect of different parameters in one system.

1. Establish initial conditions for each test which will be constant for each test (if applicable).
2. Make a list with all possible parameters which could affect the outcome of the test, in this case the skin side effects.This is PUT(Parameters under test).
3. Make first test with the established parameters and record the results.
4.Change ONLY ONE parameter from PUT, make a test and record the results.
5. Continue the tests while all PUT are tested.

Compare the result and make conclusion.

So what are initial conditions and what are the PUT? What do you think?

Dimi

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#126822 - 06/03/18 01:54 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
Scurvy Offline
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Thank you all for your input.

Considering your responses, I suppose my question then becomes more related to the capability of older or non-computerised epilators in simultaneously achieving permanent hair removal and also causing a very minimal amount of disruption to surrounding skin at the surface.

I've been under the impression that older epilators are fine as new ones are, but I heard about this idea of "hot current" or current that rises up the follicle more quickly potentially causing more skin disruption. All of this is supposedly dependent upon the epilator.

I have to say I'm not convinced this explanation is scientific (wouldn't all RF be "hot current"?), but I'm happy to learn more if it's legitimate. I'm trying to gather as much information so I can buy a machine, and especially a second-hand machine to use for practice. At the moment, Sterex Blend unit is the most available, so I'm curious about the effect that different epilators and different brands have on how the skin is effected from a treatment. Or as you've said, it might likely be an issue of operator skill.

Thanks again, everyone.

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#126825 - 06/03/18 07:18 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Michael Bono]
Josefa M. Reina Offline

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Originally Posted By Michael Bono
Too many factors go into this to make a determination. The BIG one is operator. Were this one operator with two closely related machines (same modality), then a better comparison could be made.


When will we understand that this is the only determining factor in the final result?
The skin reaction, as well as the % kill rate only depends on the operator!

In 38 years of work I have trained a few people, and although all have been taught to do more or less the same, each one has different results. Electrolysis is like learning to write. The whole class will learn to write, but each one will have their own calligraphy.

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#126829 - 06/03/18 08:17 AM Re: Which factors affect skin side effects? [Re: Scurvy]
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Jossie, yes! The (near) fatal flaw of electrology is one factor: operator. Sometimes "results" are so different that you wonder if this is really ONE profession.

Overwhelmingly, I have seen two main concerns of client/posters: 1) How do I determine if I'm getting the best results or seeing the best electrologist? 2) What do all these post-treatment marks mean?

Clients ask the wrong questions ... and focus on the wrong issues. Maybe, with more media on client concerns this could be improved. But I doubt it? Clients have an inherent tendency to ask the same questions, regardless of the thousands of times the same questions have been answered.

Finally, I'm tired of shouting at the abyss because the abyss is starting to shout back!

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