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#3625 - 01/09/06 06:27 PM Re: men shaving legs and reactions ****
smoothlover Offline
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Registered: 08/22/05
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Hi Stuart!

This refers back to your message to Akram about men removing body hair which dates back to more than 2000 years ago. I recently was looking at the pocket edition of the Kama Sutra by Anne Hopper and some of the ancient Indian illustrations in the book. They clearly show that the male had smooth bodies--no body hair on the chest, arms, pubes and legs but some facial hair! I also looked closely at the modern models used in the book and most of them have smooth chests, arms and almost no leg hair. One of the male models has no leg hair--he must have shaved or waxed, while others have extremely little leg or arm hair. Maybe, this was a requirement for being included in the book!

Anyways, I've heard that the ancient Greeks and Romans also used some form of body shaving to make it easier to treat battle wounds or maybe, they just did it to look good and show off their muscles. The ancient Egyptians also plucked hairs from every imaginable place upon entering adulthood as a means of self-purification. From this historical context, it could be argued that male hair removal has a very long tradition and indeed is very manly! Do you have any idea why and when men stopped removing body hair? It would also be interesting to know what the preferred hair removal methods were used in ancient times and if there are any good websites which chronicle the removal of body hair.

Rgds,

smoothlover

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#3626 - 01/10/06 01:51 AM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
Stuart Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
Posts: 371
Loc: Florida
Hi Josh

When I read your post I get most angry. Nobody has the right to tease you or call you gay or anything else. Shaved legs are normal where I live. I will and can break a man's neck if he were to play those sort of games with me. I do not in any way suggest you act agresivly, but please do not let these idiots intimidate you. If you need my help I am here.

Kind Regards
Stuart

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#3627 - 01/10/06 06:22 PM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
smoothlover Offline
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Hi Josh and Stuart!

I second Stuart's post--it really infuriates me that some people are so ignorant and go around making such comments. It just shows how stupid some people are. You shouldn't let such comments get under your skin because these people are not worth the time of day! Having said that, I realize that such things do bother me and are hard to ignore. Just remember that you have a lot of support on this forum--the individuals here are a "voice of reason" and I think a lot of people have similar worries about how others will react to their body shaving and feel inhibited to have the appearance that they want.

I've been thinking about this a lot. I'm tall and rather skinny--I have a typical runner's build and also worry about such remarks or being called gay. I've been thinking about doing some kind of body building to look a little "tougher" or meaner--it's kinda crazy that I'm considering doing this in order to shave legs or arms but I recall RJC and veinlover writing that nobody would mess around with them because of their muscular build.

RJC and the rest of you body builders--could you recommend any basic routines for building up a little bulk fast to the chest, legs and arms??? I'm not really interested in looking like a wrestler or anything, just developing a little more bulk to justify the smooth look.

It might also be a good idea if we come up with some "comebacks" for dealing with such idiots. I've thought about the so-called tough guy attitude like "you looking at ME, or you got a problem, buddy?" but it could be dangerous. Maybe, humor would be a better method--"sorry, but I only date women" or just try to embarass them.

Regards,

smoothlover

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#3628 - 01/11/06 12:39 AM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
Stuart Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
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Loc: Florida
Hi Smoothlover

Traditionally from what I have read, hair removal was buy plucking the hair from the male body. Hair on legs and chest was definitly not the way of the greeks or Egyptions. I may be wrong, but I believe hair removal was for purposes of battle. That is certainly not unmanly. Obviosly these men had no razors other than a blade.

Josh as for you, from my perspective I believe you should shave your legs and go about with good humour - thats what I try to do. In my last post I really lost my temper which is very wrong. These fools that are giving you a hard time are just that.

Why not shave your legs and just grin at them next time somebody gets foolish. Leg hair looks dirty and stupid in my opinion. I have only had one man make fun of me once. He was forty something with a big pot belly. I stand 6 foot tall and weght around 85 kilograms. This guy was an idiot and I stared him straight down, like you should those other fools that lauagh at you.

Smoothlover

Don't Try to be a bodybuilder. You dont need that to shave your legs. Be a man and just laughh at anybody that kids you.

Josh the same for you.

Kind Regards
Stuart

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#3629 - 01/11/06 01:49 AM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
RJC2001 Offline

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Registered: 05/02/02
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Smoothlover, Stuart is right! You don't need to take up bodybuilding to shave your legs. But nothing is wrong with lifting weights a little bit to get in better shape for summer. Or maybe take up running if that's what you prefer and you have the runner's build.

Even bicylcling could give you some muscular definition. Or get a set of dumbells and do some lunges. You could do squats but lunges are probably safer for the novice. You could also do some calf-raises for the lower legs.

Don't neglect the upper body. Dumbell triceps extensions for the rear of the upper arm and bicep curls for the front would be a good start.

If you want to look meaner, you could always shave your head. You may or may not want to do that. If you ever get that male pattern baldness it's the way to go.

BTW, that is a great comeback......"I only date women." That would shut them up for sure LOL! With that comeback it puts the burden on him to explain why he is obsessed with your body shaving. Is he coming on to you? That's what others might think with those comments, so maybe he won't make them any more.

RJC2001

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#3630 - 01/12/06 02:41 PM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
smoothlover Offline
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Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 115
Hi Stuart and RJC!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the body building tips, RJC! I actually used to be a serious cross country runner but a knee injury put a damper on my running. I actually have a bit of muscle tone on the calves but adding a bit of bulk wouldn't hurt either! I find that cycling puts less stress on the knee than running but I guess that I'd have to do it more regularly to build up the muscles a bit. Maybe, lifting some dumbells would be a good solution, as well as doing some kind of workout for the abs. Being smooth really shows muscle definition and if that's what most women look at, the smooth look just makes sense because it shows off muscle tone so much better than being covered by all that hair.

You're both right that one doesn't have to be a body builder to have a smooth appearance but there are a lot of idiots out there like the ones that Josh wrote about. It really is weird that some other men seem so interested in a man's smooth legs and embarassing them could stop them in their tracks and prevent such comments in the future.

If you guys have any other good comebacks, then please share them with the rest of us!

Take care

smoothlover

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#3631 - 01/13/06 09:35 PM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
Stuart Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
Posts: 371
Loc: Florida
Hi Smoothlover

In my opinion, we should not need comebacks at all. Reasonably fit young men of all ages should be able to shave theirs legs and bodies without any need for the fools comments. I would still like to fly to where Josh is and lend him a hand with those guys in the theme park I might admit! But we all have to face circumstance as well. Nobody is fully immune to teasing and peer pressure including me.

I have fortunatly never reacted violently to any fools or idiots either here or in the US, and neither should any of us. If you wish to stay fit this is perfectly fine, but lets not use this as some form of an excuse to shave our legs or any ther body part. This is our right and no one has the right to remove this from any member of this forum.

Feel free to shave and do so with pride. I hope all the long and not so long standing members agree. We are all free to live our lives as we see fit and not dictated by others.

Regards
Stuart

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#3632 - 01/14/06 07:04 AM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
Stuart Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
Posts: 371
Loc: Florida
Hi Smoothlover

I also used to run cross country a lot. I ended up hurting my knees quite a bit as a result, which is one of the reasons cycling as a sport became attrative. Generally cycling favours a lean build and men who cycle like me are slim. I do have the favour of height and more weight than most which I suppose stop a lot of teasing that may happen.

To build bulk RJC is correct. Some dumbells are normally all you need with a few manual presses. Don't try these "machines" that are commonly advertised as I don't believe they work. When I was younger I used dumbells with leg streches to increase muscle tone and buildup. Diet is important as well. Exercise without eating won't help. Try carbohydrates instead of too many proteins.

I hope this helps.

Regards
Stuart

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#3633 - 01/14/06 05:58 PM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
RJC2001 Offline

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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 1513
Loc: USA
I agree about the machines. Over here in the US there is a machine called "Bowflex" that uses bendable plastic rods instead of weights. It is heavily advertised on TV and they are very expensive, with some models costing well over $1000 US. They work in that they provide progressive resistance, but I think they are overpriced. I went to a sporting goods store to try one. They feel strange compared to weights. There is almost no resistance at the beginning of the movement and it keeps increasing throughout the movement. Now they have a new model called Bowflex Revolution, it is advertised as being more like free weights, all for the super low price of $2,499! I think I would stick to the original for a lot less money!

I didn't mean to go to far off topic, but Stuart made a good point about the machines.

The main point is, weights or not, cycling or not, you can still shave. You need to do what suits you the best.

RJC2001

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#3634 - 01/15/06 12:58 AM Re: men shaving legs and reactions
Mantaray Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 711
Loc: San Diego, California
You guys are throwing this topic around of reacting to comments. The whole idea of reacting negatively and aggressively is really a wrong turn. And I'm a pretty aggressive and competitive person saying that. React the opposite.

It all comes down to confidence, you behave like you've looked like that your whole life, and that is truly you. People read that, and keep silent. Like a person with a disability or tattoos, or is really tall or short. They're like that, they know it, it won't change so accept it, and others accept it. Are you going to let others determine what you wear and how you act. No, you would just be yourself.

Some people that worry so much about what others think, I worry what would happen if they became disfigured in a car accident, would they become shut-in's? Never leaving home? Worried about what others think? I hope not, and I certainly don't wish any evil, but I want to stress that it's your life, not a practice run, not a rehearsal, your opinion is just as valid as the president's or that guy staring at you. What do you want as your epitaph? 'Here lays a guy who never wore shorts because he was afraid of what others would say. He even died on a 110F day in Pheonix with pants on. R.I.P.'

Don't worry if others will gossip. Why? Because they always do, they always will. You will find that you have to gain this strength, it takes work to be a true individual. Maybe I think this way because for a few years I worked with people with severe disabilities. I would go to the store and to the movies with them. Everyone would throw out glances and stares. Sometimes the disabled would yell and scream. It became no big deal. I learned that my response of cool and confidence is what got staring eyes to mind their own business. I just learned that human behavior was something not to be concerned with.

I was at the store yesterday in shorts and flip flops (we are lucky down here weatherise), These girls behind me said, 'Well, it's not so bad as long as he doesn't wear polish, you know.' I realized that I couldn't care less. I mean, I didn't care at all. A few weeks ago I also asked for a 4-pack of Venus Vibrance cartridges from this guy behind the counter. He held up the wrong ones, and I yelled across the store, 'Not those. Vibrance, in the red and orange package.' Some women were like snorting or something, but I didn't even care. I just wanted the cartridges. What are they going to do? Throw me in girl-prison for buying girl-razors? They can't. I can buy them if I want.

You have to be above it. Someone says: do you shave your legs. Say: Yeah, I shave my legs. I like to. You'll be amazed how fast they get over it, it'll be accepted, as you would want. Hide it, and they will think they have something on you, it becomes the very thing you don't want it to.

About weights. If somebody likes machines, more power to them. But I agree, dumbells and a good bench is where it's at. I did the whole gym thing for like fifteen years. I now have a good quality flat, incline, decline bench (PowerBlock http://www.powerblock.com/accessories.html -the pro adjustable white bench only. I absolutely love it, and I've used many, many benches) and a set of plain hex dumbells going from 10 lbs to 80 lbs. Use a lot of knowledge and you can do a lot with this simple setup for the basics and staying toned. But I admit, if I used them as much as my keyboard, I'd be pretty buff by now.
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