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#125515 - 12/22/17 01:30 PM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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We are all used to the "fussing;" no problem. The question I have is why you were using Aloe. I mean, specifically how was that going to speed the healing ... what did you hope to accomplish?

When a woman gets pregnant, she would love it if the baby could just pop-out in a few days; but that's not happening. No matter what she does, the pregnancy is going to take the 9-months or so.

Same with all healing. You can make it feel better initially (and take precautions from real infections) ... but there is nothing you can do to make it "go faster." After a couple days of "fiddling" just keep your "cotton pickin' fingers off" and let mother nature take her course. You can't fight it anyway.

Still, we all know the "easily stressed" ARE going to stress over everything for the duration. We have heard it all and that's "cool." When it's all over, you will wonder why you put all the "angst" into it ... especially since there will be another "thing" causing stress. (I know, because I'm exactly the SAME!)

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#125518 - 12/22/17 02:48 PM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
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Originally Posted By Michael Bono
The question I have is why you were using Aloe. I mean, specifically how was that going to speed the healing ... what did you hope to accomplish?

I was using Aloe Vera on the whole face (not just specifically for that little red spot) because that's what my electrologist advised me to do initially. Lots of people on this board also seemed fans of Aloe so I thought "why not?" Of course the intention was to soothe and cool the skin a little which, unfortunately, wasn't happening in my case so I dumped the idea...

Originally Posted By Michael Bono
When it's all over, you will wonder why you put all the "angst" into it

I hope so smile

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#125620 - 01/05/18 11:49 PM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
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Ok, so the "fussing" part of me activated again after the next thermolysis session (which took place 12 hours ago). It was a 2-hour long session spread across the chin, upper lip, lower lip, cheeks, jawline and neck area.

What worried me, is that this time immediately after the treatment I've noticed some clear fluid leakage, mostly on the upper lip and several spots on the chin. There was not a lot of it though - just small pinhead-sized wet dots visible in strong light but I remembered from different threads on Hairtell that fluid is a "bad sign". I went to sleep because I was very tired. I woke up 8 hours later and noticed in the mirror that some thin yellowish "crust" started forming in some places. Some spots are still looking slightly wet from the fluid.

Is that a case of overtreatment? Should I just wait until the crust comes off naturally or should I gently wash it off with clean water? I would appreciate your opinions based on the:
PHOTO TAKEN TODAY - 12 HOURS AFTER TREATMENT





Edited by Kate Blue (01/06/18 12:04 AM)

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#125623 - 01/06/18 10:57 AM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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Okay ... truly you are going to "sweat this out" for the duration. That's fine, happens all the time. I understand because I "fuss" and equivocate about EVERYTHING too.


While all electrologists see the "leaking fluid" as something-less-than desirable, overall, it's not a problem. When the skin is burned (electrolysis), blood vessels expand to allow healing products to enter the wound site. Along with these elements some blood plasma (the clear to "yellow" liquid) can leak in ... not bad, because it carries platelets that close the wound. (Not entirely "lymph" by the way, which is what most schools teach ... ugh!).


Just wash off the excess and go about your business. Your photo looks fine. You have beard hairs that require lots of energy. You don't have "peach fuzz" like a young woman (who will rarely see such a reaction)... it's a beard and you will get more reaction because, well, your electrologist is removing a beard.


If you don't want the leaking ... go in less often and for much shorter appointments with no "clearance."

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#126801 - 05/31/18 12:45 AM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
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Ok, I'm back again with some questions regarding my thermolysis progress.
I hope they won't be too annoying for you - I would just like to know more about certain aspects of this process to be a happy customer in the end.


1. I have noticed that since December 2017 there was not much progress in removing hairs on my upper lip. I can see a significant reduction on my neck, chin and cheeks but for some reason upper lip area appears to have the same amount of regrowth for the last 5-6 months. I know that patience is the key and that it's a high density area but at this point of time (around 10 months in) I would expect better results (am I being unreasonable?).

Recently, I did a little test and tried plucking a couple of the hairs on my upper lip a week before planned session just to see how it feels now as I wasn't sure if my electrologist were plucking on some of the hairs or not during the session. To my amazement, it seemed like the hairs were sliding out with little to no effort even without applying any current! How could that be? Is it possible that the follicles became weaker and/or shallower due to nearly one year of hormone theraphy?
If so, could that be a misleading component in the whole process making my electrologist think that the hairs are sliding out nicely and therefore are dead while they are really not? I'm going to ask her about it soon but in the meantime, I would appreciate your comments.


2. Second question is with regard to the upper lip skin itself. I've noticed that even 2 or 3 weeks after a single treatment this area is usually kind of wet, like there are really tiny sprinkles of fluid all over the place. I do not see anything similar on the other treated areas (chin, cheeks, neck). The rest of my skin is quite dry, apart from this particular area so it cannot be sweat (or can it?). Also, I sometimes feel itching or very mild burning sensation (it comes and goes) and there is some hyperpigmentation there (quite noticeable since my skin is very light and thin). Is that anything to be worried about?

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#126802 - 05/31/18 12:15 PM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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I looked back a bit on your posts and you said you do 4-hours per month (2-hours every fortnight?) So, at 10-months, as you state, that's 40-hours total (probably a bit less?)

Average beard takes around 100 hours so you are not quite half done. All the "bumbleschnickels" you are seeing are part of the process.


Edited by Michael Bono (05/31/18 12:15 PM)

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#126803 - 05/31/18 11:39 PM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
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That's right. 2 hours of work every 2 weeks. Around 40 hours total as of now.

I'm curious because there is a rather significant contrast between the growth on my chin, neck, and cheeks (very little) and the upper lip (quite a lot). Each area was given roughly the same amount of treatment time.

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#126804 - 06/01/18 08:56 AM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
Michael Bono Offline

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More follicles per cm2 on the upper lip.

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#127237 - 07/19/18 01:15 AM Re: Thermolysis on thick facial hair (+Photos) [Re: Kate Blue]
Kate Blue Offline
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A little update on my current situation:


Due to a number of reasons, I've decided to try out another electrologist that was recommended by my friend. Unfortunately, she is located far away from my hometown (takes an entire day to travel there and back!) but the actual experience was much better in my opinion. There was no plucking sensation at all, no leaking follicles, less sizzling sounds, and less swelling. She uses Apilus Platinum (Pico Flash) with insulated probes. I'll probably come back to her for the next appointments.


The only things that still worry me are:

1. The patchy gray-ish/purple-ish spots visible on my upper lip and at the very bottom of my chin. They look somehow different from hyperpigmentation I've seen on another users of this board. If they were just slightly red I would be OK with just waiting them out but they are more gray than the rest of my skin and look like a mustache shadow from a distance. It's more noticeable in real life than on photos but just to give you a general idea - here are my photos taken 2 weeks after last session:
https://i.imgur.com/oOyZ7Z7.jpg (smaller photo because the problem is more visible that way)
https://i.imgur.com/nWQqsjy.jpg

2. Sometimes, I feel a slight stinging sensations on my entire upper lip even 2-3 weeks after a treatment. I try not to put anything on that area (no ointments, no make-up etc.) or otherwise it will immediately get red and even more "stingy". Why is that? Is it to be expected with electrolysis?

Your commentary is welcome as always.


Edited by Kate Blue (07/19/18 01:27 AM)

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