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#127630 - 09/13/18 06:08 PM Looking for a marathon electrologist
whyme6464 Offline
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Hello!

Are there any electrologists who are willing to perform marathon sessions in the US? I live in the US but I have been unable to find anyone willing to schedule appointments for more than an hour. I would love to travel to you for at least one full clearance and have my local electrologist remove the regrowth.

I am a female with a lot of fine hairs on my face and neck and based on my current electrologist's speed, it seems like I would need 10 - 15 hours done.

I live in the MidWest and don't mind flying to your practice since I don't have a car.

Thank you!

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#127631 - 09/13/18 06:21 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Michael Bono Offline

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I only do marathon sessions, and have two big ones coming up.

With what you are describing, you are not a good candidate for marathon sessions. Fine facial hair, especially, is not the best area for multiple hours. The best is to proceed just as you are doing.

Besides, only 10 - 15 hours is not much time. (My marathoners are in the 100+ hour range.)

Indeed, I know you want to "get this over ASAP." However, with facial hair you will need many treatments over the next 12 - 18 months or so. You cannot rush facial treatments; at least in my experience.

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#127632 - 09/13/18 06:30 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
dimi Offline
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I do marathon sessions and like doing it but I am in Montreal Canada, sorry.
Also if the hair is very dense it is not advisable to make full clearance in 1-2 sessions due to possibility of overtreatment.

Dimi

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#127633 - 09/13/18 07:04 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
whyme6464 Offline
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Thank you so much for your quick replies! I really appreciate it. The progress is really frustrating but I do understand your concerns about the skin quality.

How many hours would you generally advice?

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#127634 - 09/13/18 07:47 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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The time is irrelevant.
The electrologist which will perform the treatment must make consultation with you.He/she will consider many parameters before giving you approximate time.
Some of the variables are:hair size, hair density,area to be treated,type of skin and skin reaction to the treatment.The skin reaction could be different for different modality used so you should have tested your skin reaction using Flash or Blend.If the Blend makes less skin reaction than the treatment speed will be much slower than Flash. Also the progress will depends of the electrologist work speed.

Dimi

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#127635 - 09/13/18 08:52 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Agree with what Dimi has said.

Exception: blend is often used in 1-second, or less, intervals. This was a common way Hinkel instructed for fine facial hairs; although the process is not generally known because, to my knowledge, no textbooks cover this aspect.

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#127641 - 09/15/18 12:06 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Alright, thank you!

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#127642 - 09/15/18 03:06 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Lucie Desrochers, CPE Offline

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I do marathon sessions, and am in Gatineau, Quebec, Canada.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Cordially,
Lucie
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#127689 - 09/25/18 10:57 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Michael Bono]
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So how long do you consider to be a marathon session and what would I be looking at in terms of cost? I haven't had any electrolysis. I'm transgender with formerly a fairly full beard, like Santa or Duck Dynasty for example. My hair color is not suited to laser and I've read some very negative things about laser. I've been exploring DIY electrolysis but the thought of someone of your stature in the field doing a marathon clearance has me intrigued. I live in Northern California in a little town on the Humboldt coast without an electrologist for miles. I just checked into flights to Santa Barbara, about $400 round trip....


Edited by TSTimmi (09/25/18 10:57 PM)

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#127692 - 09/26/18 10:09 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Michael Bono Offline

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Total beard removal (my averages) come in at 70 - 80 hours and YES that is a LOT!

The beard, or facial hair for that matter, is the only area on which I will not do "marathon sessions." Others do, I won't. Such intense treatment, e.g., removing an entire beard in a few days, (if a truly appropriate current level is used) will damage the skin permanently. (That's my own personal opinion and others disagree ... I won't take the "chance.")

You need a more local electrologist who can remove the beard in multiple sessions ... based on her well-thought-out strategy (make sure she "has one!").

(Good kayaking ... and MORE ... in Humbolt!) Check with "Monterey Bay Institute (ugh) of Electrology" for a recommendation. Sorry about the "ugh."

If you really want the marathon business ... the big electrolysis center in Dallas (specializing in TG) does this all the time. Reports say they're pretty good too! I think they are called "Electrology 3000." (Used to be 2000, but now they're getting ready for the next century?)

Why not: the "Intergalactic Institution of Electrology circa the year 5000." That should cover it? (I hope you get my humor?)


Edited by Michael Bono (09/26/18 10:10 AM)

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#127693 - 09/26/18 03:42 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Michael Bono]
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So I'll most likely end up the DIY route. I have a question for you in that regard, since you literally wrote the book, I was under the impression from what I have read here and elsewhere that I should be doing blend on my face and thus looking for a blend capable machine? I've been contemplating the Elite Spectrum model K from Instantron, in fact I'd kind of narrowed it down to that, but I spoke with Dr. Heimlich yesterday over at TES and he suggested I wanted straight thermolysis for face work because of less chance of scarring without the lye production in galvanic work. If that is true I could save 1k and get the SS-99 which Skip at Instantron says is the same machine as the Elite Spectrum except without the galvanic capability. I thought I'd read that thermolysis is much less forgiving of less than perfect insertions of the needle/probe which is certainly a possibility if not a certainty at times given I'm a newbie and will be doing some mirror work. I thought the principle advantage of thermolysis was speed, which if I'm doing it myself in the comfort of my own home every week for a few hours is less of an issue. I also think I read that the follicle "kill" success rate is lower in straight thermolysis.

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#127694 - 09/26/18 03:48 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Michael Bono]
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I get the Intergalactic Institute and laughed but wasn't sure about the ugh? Is there something I should know about MBIE?

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#127697 - 09/26/18 07:29 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: TSTimmi]
Josefa M. Reina Offline

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Originally Posted By TSTimmi
... I also think I read that the follicle "kill" success rate is lower in straight thermolysis.


Do not believe everything you read ... especially when it concerns the capacity of the different electrolysis modalities.

What do you think about these results with straight thermolysis and with a single clearing?



Before:


4 months later:


It is not an example of a beard, but after all, the only thing that differentiates follicles from others is location and size.

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#127698 - 09/26/18 08:23 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Michael Bono Offline

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The Monterey school is my favorite school of electrology. I alwasy "gulp" a little when such schools, e.g., beauty schools, call themselves colleges, universities or institutes. "Trump University" would be another silly name.

Looking good Jossie!

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#127699 - 09/26/18 08:31 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Michael Bono Offline

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Additionally, the "conversations" on modality have changed very little over the last, nearly 100 years (since 1923 specifically). Like Josefa says ... don't believe any of it. The subject bores me to tears (the alligator type, of course ... I'm all done in.)


Just get a nice simple machine, learn it ... and then after a year or so (as in most cases) get professional treatments. Then again, you might just end-up doing great work? Give it a try.

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#127700 - 09/27/18 11:09 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Hi Timmy,
I'm one of the biggest advocates of DIY. While others told me "You're sure to scar yourself permanently" I persisted in teaching myself how to do it effectively and safely.With beautiful scar free results.
And yet, being the biggest advocate for DIY and being an electrologist who works PRIMARILY in thermolysis with great results, you would think I would advocate thermolysis for DIY right? Well, you'd be dead wrong! I only advocate blend or galvanic for DIY work.

Lets look at why I feel that way? Well, the answer is rather simple actually, it comes down to the potential for damage and scarring and the odds of that happening in each modality. I did my entire face in blend. I found it to be a good effective modality and the relative risk, even in the event of overtreatment , was very low indeed.

Thermolysis however, is the only modality to ever cause me any limited scarring.I cut a small nick into my eyebrow , the result of an inaccurate insertion with high level thermolysis, using picoflash and the thermolyis energy cutting a small section of skin. If as an electrologist you've ever used thermolysis to remove a skintag, you know exactly how possibble it is to cut skin with electrcauterization.

Blend however I have never had the limited thermolysis energy be sufficient to cut skin. The levels are lower and it doesnt do that.
When youu are DIY'ing, your insertions, well they arent going to be great, especially when you first start. The potential for damage I would estimate to be exponentially higher with DIY doing thermolysis over DIY blend. So ,that, is why I advocate for blend for DIY purposes . I'm telling you the benefit of what I learned also going through that process. I hope you will pay attention, and learn from the mistakes I already made for you.


Edited by Iluv2zap (09/27/18 11:13 AM)
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#127701 - 09/27/18 12:05 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
Michael Bono Offline

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Timmy ...

Seana's comments are well taken and very sensible. I think you should listen to her; and "go" with her suggestions.

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#127702 - 09/27/18 04:16 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Id also like to mention that I too do the odd "Marathon sessions" but Im also in Canada. I tend to recommend fully clearing areas worked on for body areas and I recommend highly limiting the hours of electrolysis per day to about 4 hours.This is because it is exhausting for me and also the client and for most 4 hours in a single day is about as much as many clients can cope with.
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#127703 - 09/27/18 10:12 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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I also limit marathon sessions to four hours per day. Two hours in the morning, break for lunch, then two hours in the afternoon seems to be a good balance. I like to finish up around 3 pm. This gives me plenty of time to unwind and relax before dinner without being totally exhausted.

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#127707 - 09/28/18 09:45 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Iluv2zap]
TSTimmi Offline
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It's Timmi actually.
Thank you for the advice. I was kind of surprised that Dr. Heimlich was suggesting thermolysis over blend and seemed very concerned about the over production of lye. I know your position on this already, you're the reason I came to this site. I followed you here from asktransgender on reddit. I'm pretty sure I've heard that advice elsewhere as well. Thank you for weighing in, especially since Mr. Bono, in his weariness, was dismissive and unhelpful.

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#127708 - 09/28/18 11:40 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Well, you're not getting the definitive answer you want ... because there is no definitive answer. Dr. Heimlich is right, Seana is right and so is Josefa. Where you go from here is your call.

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#127711 - 09/28/18 08:50 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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I worked as DIY with galvanic with true manual blend machine and I'm sure I used lots of lye and didn't stick to text book formulas and I don't have any scaring to report from DIY. I only noticed PIH/hyper pigmentation which is resolving on its own.

I highly recommend going the Blend machine route for DIY as thermolysis is very rapid and high power so margin for error is low. Get a blend machine that has automatic option or can deliver both currents with 1 pedal it will be much easier than working with 2 pedals on yourself considering that with Blend or Galvanic you have to keep your insertions perfect and steady for longer periods in a follicle and every movement becomes an issue.

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#127712 - 09/29/18 10:46 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Well, there you are: fenix is correct too! Four answers and all correct!

On the "blend formulas?" Not ONE expert "blender" EVER uses the formulas. I don't use them, and stopped "doing the math" ages ago. WHY?

Think about this. When you learn a foreign language, you have to learn the grammar. Once you understand it, you never think about the grammar again, because you "just know it." It sounds right.

Can you imagine thinking about, say, past/present participles before you speak? You probably don't even know what the parts of speech are!

Do you know what a gerund is? (Well, here it is: A gerund is the “-ing” form of a verb when it functions grammatically as a noun in a sentence. Gerunds are identical in appearance to present participles, but they are not used to form tenses of the verb or provide adjectival information.) Do you EVER think about this?

Most native speakers don't know their own rules of grammar. And, this is exactly how the "blend formulas" should be used. Horribly, the computerization of some machines took this "blend-grammar issue" literally and made it "absolute" ... BIG BIG mistake.

One day, when I get off my big butt, I'll do a video on this ...


Edited by Michael Bono (09/29/18 10:47 AM)

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#127713 - 09/29/18 11:22 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Josefa M. Reina]
adrien_sanchiz Offline

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Originally Posted By Josefa M. Reina
Originally Posted By TSTimmi
... I also think I read that the follicle "kill" success rate is lower in straight thermolysis.


Do not believe everything you read ... especially when it concerns the capacity of the different electrolysis modalities.

What do you think about these results with straight thermolysis and with a single clearing?


Before:


4 months later:


It is not an example of a beard, but after all, the only thing that differentiates follicles from others is location and size.




This is (as always) impressive results ! Thanks for sharing it. You demonstrated that this is not the modality that allows getting good results but the electrologist’skill.
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#127714 - 09/29/18 11:54 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: Michael Bono]
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Which is why I'm looking at the Elite Spectrum instead of Apilus and others. I'm told it can do the computerized blends and manually set blends and most machines are NOT capable or easy to do both ways. Do you think the air option is worth the extra money or not so much?


Edited by TSTimmi (09/29/18 11:55 AM)

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#127715 - 09/29/18 04:15 PM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: TSTimmi]
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I do not know if the air option represents a big difference because I bought my Spectrum without that accessory. However, the machine itself is designed to offer a slightly more comfortable treatment.

If I'm not wrong, the purpose of the air is to cool the treated area, something that you can replace by applying compresses moistened in cold water or in some cooling substance.

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#127717 - 09/30/18 11:14 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: whyme6464]
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Josefa, my opinion exactly!

I had the air option on my Gentronics digital and most of my clients found it annoying. I used it infrequently, but at least I had it as another option in my toolbox.
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#127718 - 09/30/18 11:20 AM Re: Looking for a marathon electrologist [Re: TSTimmi]
Deedra Offline

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Originally Posted By TSTimmi
Which is why I'm looking at the Elite Spectrum instead of Apilus and others. I'm told it can do the computerized blends and manually set blends and most machines are NOT capable or easy to do both ways. Do you think the air option is worth the extra money or not so much?


I use Apilus and I have TOTAL control to make my own settings / recipes in blend and thermolysis. There are thousands of ways to do this. They have presets, but most of us go beyond those presets and we have TOTAL CONTROL.

I always feel obligated to contradict this falsehood. I don’t know why it persists.
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