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#19217 - 09/17/04 11:23 AM Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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This is a good overview from a young competitor's viewpoint.

Hair Removal
by Ryan Ward
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/ward6.htm
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#19218 - 03/05/05 04:31 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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Andrea and others,

I am also a bodybuilder. In his article, he directs a link to a product called hair no more, specifically here:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hair/creme.html

Do you have any evidence on this product by any chance?

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#19219 - 03/05/05 04:03 PM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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Hair No More Is a "hair inhibitor" product to avoid. The claim in that ad that is can remove hair at the bulb is simply untrue for any topical preparation.

Most of these are a simple chemical depilatory like Nair. The products can only dissoolve hair above the skin's surface.

The "hair inhibitor" part is usually some herbal concoction. Since they never say what it is, there's no way to look it up and see if there is any scientific data that proves their claims.
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#19220 - 03/06/05 06:07 PM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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It smells good and does a good job as a moisturizer after shaving. But it does not inhibit hair growth. Not worth the money IMHO. Andrea is right.

Stick with a good razor. M3 Power for a blade. Braun Activator (or Sychro) for an electric. If you want something more permanent, try laser or electrolysis.

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#19221 - 03/26/05 06:28 PM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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It smells good and does a good job as a moisturizer after shaving. But it does not inhibit hair growth. Not worth the money IMHO. Andrea is right.

Stick with a good razor. M3 Power for a blade. Braun Activator (or Sychro) for an electric. If you want something more permanent, try laser or electrolysis.

RJC2001




My heart goes out to the poor fellow on the link. My hair is much less thick than his, thank goodness. I would recommend a high quality shave gel in the shower, not shampoo. Some People prefer to use woman's shave gel, as they feel it is designed for legs and other body parts. I use Neutrogena's women's shave gel, and am very pleased. I probably go through a couple of cans a month, a minimal expense compared with wax or laser. My favourite razor for my body is the woman's Venus, a variant on the Mach III. The blades are in fact interchangeable, though I prefer the women's blades, as they glide over your legs and such much better. I can shave my entire body in about 15 minutes at most, and I do it quite compulsively. It is not the big deal most men, and for that matter women, make it out to be. In fact, I kind of enjoy it. It can be sensual, and is a great way to examine your body for progress--whether you are bulking or cutting, you will be very familiar with your body after a shave. Plus, I love how my skin feels after, so nice and smooth all over, muscles pumped from a workout, it makes me feel sexy.

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#19222 - 03/30/05 01:24 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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Veinlover, have you ever tried the M3 Power razor? I was wondering what you thought of it. I agree the Venus is a very good razor, plus it has the best handle because it was made for leg shaving. IMHO, the M3 has less friction and cuts a little bit closer.

If you can shave your entire body in 15 minutes, you are very fast! It takes me about 20 minutes just to shave my legs. Maybe I am too much of a perfectionist LOL! Do you overlap each pass with the razor? Do you go over any area more than once? It only takes about 1 minute to do my chest and abs, thanks to laser and electrolysis. I stopped shaving my armpits regularly because there isn't enough hair there to make it worthwhile. I just do them once a week.

I am getting the second Lyra-i laser treatment on my full legs in about 2 weeks so the shaving time will decrease. Right now I don't see much growth at all after skipping a day but I can feel some stubble. But even after one laser treatment, I can shave with an electric (Braun Activator) and it feels like I shaved with a blade.

I find one of the best shaving lubricants is Suave Bodywash Moisturizing Formula (white bottle). It works great, I never get cuts when using it, and it's dirt cheap. I got 3 12 oz. bottles of it for about $5 at Meijer's.

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#19223 - 03/30/05 06:17 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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Veinlover, have you ever tried the M3 Power razor? I was wondering what you thought of it. I agree the Venus is a very good razor, plus it has the best handle because it was made for leg shaving. IMHO, the M3 has less friction and cuts a little bit closer.

If you can shave your entire body in 15 minutes, you are very fast! It takes me about 20 minutes just to shave my legs.
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RJC--Yes, I use the M3 power razor on my face every day, and absolutely love it. However, for my body, I much prefer the handle of the Venus, as you say, it is designed for legs. Plus, I don't think the vibrating and very delicate suspension on the shaving head is so good for the whole body. And, I wonder how water proof it is?

I Go over most areas a couple of times, but I move it right along. How can legs take 20 minutes? I first lather up the quads and hams, and shave them. I have a seat in my shower, and can put my foot on it, which makes things much easier. I shave the quads at different angles, depending on the inside or outside, and the hardest part is the hams, with all the tendons, plus you can't see it. I shave that in various direction, hoping for the best. I then do the lower leg, and shave from the ankle up, in overlapping strokes, from ankle to knee. I basically don't shave an area more than once, but overlap maybe 50%. I make long, fast strokes, and when I'm done, my calves are smooth as butter. They are not very hairy, however. Sometimes after I turn off the water, and I get some goosebumps, I shave the parts of the quads again, real quick, that feel stubbly. I'd say I do my legs in 5 minutes. My chest and abs, I do abs first, with strokes from pubes to chest, then from middle to the outer edge. THen, pecs, from abs to clavicle, and from the chestbone to the nipples. This takes only a few minutes. Pits I do from top to bottom, and bottom to top, and from out to in, and in to out, as hairs seem to grow everywhichway. That takes a minute. My arms take a few more minutes, and thats' it. I do my shoulders as well. I cannot imagine taking much longer. I do it everytime I shower, which is every day or two. For whatever reason, partly the shaved pits, I never smell, and can go two or three days easily, not even using deod. Of course, I always shower after a workout. I love shaving after lifting, as I can enjoy the muscles, and feel the veins, as I shave. Plus, it feels nice to be all smooth and pumped. Shaving is actually kind of sensual, and I'm not sure I wouldn't miss it if I got lasered. If I spent an hour, however, I''d go crazy. As it is, it takes me longer than most men to shower.

So, what do you do for 20 minutes with your legs?? Are you extremely hairy?

V.

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#19224 - 04/03/05 04:43 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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My legs aren't that hairy, just average I would say. I shave from my ankles to just above my knees outside of the shower. Visibility is better and I think there is less chance of cutting myself. The hair on my calves grows in different directions so I have to make multiple passes. I probably use slower strokes than you do. Plus the gel dries quickly and I have to stop and reapply water or Moore Unique Hydroglide to maintain the lubrication. Those factors probably account for the longer shave time. I do my quads in the shower. It is easier to shave them and it goes more quickly. If I shave my entire legs in the shower it is quicker. They don't dry out and the Suave Bodywash works great.

I too love shaving after lifting. It feels great to be smooth and pumped! Even though I have very little chest and armpit hair left, it does still feel different after shaving. It must be the exfoliation process LOL!

Which Venus do you use, the standard or the Divine? Is there much difference? They talk about "comfort coated blades" on the Divine. There is also a Venus disposable model.

Thanks for the shaving tips. You're more efficient than I am. How often do you cut yourself? Maybe I should try using quicker strokes. After my next laser treatment, things should get easier and quicker.

RJC2001

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#19225 - 04/03/05 07:32 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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RJC, I use the Divine, but the blades are interchangeable, you can keep you regular Venus handle and just buy the Divine Blades. The only difference in handles is colour.

I do the whole shave in the shower, which I'm sure is far quicker, as you don't dry out. My calves are the easiest thing in the world to shave, the hair grows nice and straight, and there isn't too much of it. When I'm done, you'd never know there was ever hair there, and it takes only a minute or two, I swear. I actually begin with the quads, then the hams, then I lather the calves and do them. I have a seat in the shower to rest the foot on, which makes it easier and faster. I almost never cut myself, to be honest. I'm also ambidextrous, so can shave eqully well with either hand, which makes it much easier to get at the off sides, if you shave only with one hand, that may well slow you up. I make long strokes, the entire length of the calf or quad, but and overlap those. I also go side to side on the quads, as the hairs on the inside grow one way, and the ones on the outside go the other. The only real hard part is the hams, which are of course impossible to see, and are full of tendons that make it almost impossible to get a smooth surface. I do my best, and of course, never see the result. I'm not bleeding, so that is good. Like I said , I use both hands, otherwise that area would be virtually impossible. I do prefer a shave gel to other products.

I wonder how many women shave their entire leg, as opposed to only the lower part? What's funny, is I have more hair on the top part than the lower part, by far. Women are the reverse. Maybe its my age. I' sure bodybuilding women shave the whole leg, especially if they use steroids. But, even so, their hair is generally a bit lighter, and probably shaves quicker. The other thing I've found speeds up the process is doing it every day. The less growth, ,the quicker. Plus, it hurts less, and you are less likely to pull one, which can result in bleeding, even though you didn't really cut yourself.

I do think I'd miss shaving after lifting if I got totally lasered, that probably sounds sick. However, it sounds like laser always leaves some behind, so even with laser you still shave, but there is less hair, so it goes quicker (for most of us, anyhow, lol). I take it you have not lasered your legs! I'd love to laser my back, which isn't particularly hairy, but it is on the flanks and looks terrible. I do not shave that very often, as it is too hard, so laser would be wonderful. I'd do pits, too, to get rid of the thick hair there. Problem is cost. Even pits are expensive, ridiculous if you ask me.

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#19226 - 04/04/05 02:11 AM Re: Hair Removal by Ryan Ward
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to try the Divine, it looks like the Venus answer to the Mach3 Turbo.

I agree that shaving every day works best. It saves time in the long run and there are fewer ingrown hairs that way. At first I was reluctant to shave my hams for fear of ingrowns and cuts, but I found that as long as I don't press down too hard with the blade there is no problem.

I use both hands to shave too. It would seem very difficult to do the legs with one hand. On my quads, I go side to side on the inner and outer parts and from the knee straight up on the front. So that goes rather easily. Having a seat in the shower to put my foot on helps a lot. I didn't realize how helpful that was until I shaved my legs in a hotel shower.

BTW, it seems to me that most women shave their entire legs, at least when they go to the beach.

I had two Aurora treatments on my quads and hams a year ago. It removed some hair, but IMHO the Nd:YAG works better. My lower legs were too dark for the Aurora. I had one laser treatment on the full legs this year and am very happy. Shaving with an electric gives the results of a blade, and when I use a blade, it feels like I've never had leg hair. I'm looking forward to my next laser treatment in about 10 days.

BTW, laser worked very well on my back hair. There is only about 10% left and I don't even notice that unless I skip shaving for more than a week. After 1 more laser treatment there I will finish with electrolysis.

One of my goals is to be totally hair-free on my chest and armpits, and I'm almost there. Seems like there is always a few stragglers, but I am getting those with electrolysis.
Since you were quoted such a high price with laser for your armpits, you might as well look into electrolysis. It shouldn't be that much and it works great. The feeling of hair-free armpits is incredible! I never would have guessed it until I had it done!

RJC2001

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