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#19480 - 10/01/04 07:24 PM Electric tweezers and typos
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I tried to email this, but it didn't seem to work.

Data and bacteria are plural. Do you think you can fix the various typos on
the site, and the two absurd metric conversions? The F glossary has a
mistake. "side effects" take fewer, not less.

Your site is an interesting subject to devote so much to... About those
electric tweezers, if current can't flow to and kill the follicle, then how
is it able to produce a little pain, sometimes, and release the hair without
pain? And why can't, say, a drop of brine or other electrolyte substitute
for the needle since a fluid can penetrate better than a solid?


Edited by Andrea (10/04/04 07:22 PM)

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#19481 - 10/01/04 11:08 PM Re: autoresponders are a pain
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Oh, and why not just solder a needle tip onto one of those electric tweezers?

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#19482 - 10/04/04 08:57 AM Why electric tweezers don't work
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There's this thing with electricity called "path of least resistance." You can see a couple of examples here:

http://www.hairfacts.com/medpubs/etweez/schuster.html

The top example shows metal probes, and the bottom shows your tweezers.

The pain you occasionaly feel is because there are nerves throughout the body in addition to the cluster around the base of each follicle. The electricity can stimulate those nerves.

A metal probe is a more reliable delivery vehicle for energy because of the follicle structure. Unlike sweat glands, follicles don't really open up that well, making it difficult to force brine or gel all the way to the root. The infundibulum tends to close unless held open by the probe.

You could solder a metal probe onto an electric tweezer device, but the probes are thin as hairs and bend easily. They often need to be replaced. Better to buy a unit that is designed for replaceable probes.

If you use a pair of tweezers and apply steady pressure to any hair for 15 seconds to two minutes, you will find they often slide out quite easily. This is especially true if they are in their last growth stages.

Do you have Asperger's Syndrome? The tone of your notes suggests you are very poorly socialized. That is sometimes a sign of undiagnosed autism. You should look into it.
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#19483 - 10/04/04 04:24 PM Re: autoresponders are a pain
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aaahh! am confused! are u tslking about epilators!?

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#19484 - 10/04/04 05:58 PM Re: electric tweezers and typos
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Loony, the terminology is confusing. On this board, we distinguish rotary epilators, which have spinning heads with rows of tweezers on them, from el;ectric tweezers, which look like regular household tweezers, but are attached to a electricity source. Rotary epilators are a good option for some who wish to clear legas and arms temporarily. Electric tweezers are basically a scam.

At issue is whether an electric tweezer can deliver energy to the root of a hair. The basic answer is no, not at the levels needed to cause permanent removal.

The poster then asked about modifying an electric tweezer by using a conductive gel rubbed into the skin. This has not been demonstrated in published data to improve effectiveness of electric tweezers.

The poster than asked about modifying an electric tweezer by soldering a metal probe to it. Rather than doing that, you should just buy a device that is designed to use these disposable probes.

Bottom line: electric tweezers have not been proven to work as claimed. Home units that employt a metal probe can work as claimed, but are difficult to use.


Edited by Andrea (10/04/04 07:22 PM)
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#19485 - 12/08/04 11:24 AM Re: Why electric tweezers don't work
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LOL, I got whisked away to Wikipedia work and even read the article on Asperger's Syndrome before checking back here. I took the test: only got two-thirds of the needed score. I either have mild Asperger's or the exact opposite: I fully understand social and psychological cues, but don't always need them. Were you talking about my abruptness? They were just the facts.

There are some more typos on that needle page. I'd been all over the site but couldn't even find those pages from browsing the directory, and it's hard to tell where a page is linked from without using the URL and groping around.

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#19486 - 12/09/04 11:14 AM Re: Why electric tweezers don't work
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Yeah, I was talking about how you come across like a real douchebag in your letter.

Update: just went over to Wikipedia and see you have a rep for being a world-class goatse.


Edited by Andrea (12/09/04 11:33 AM)
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#19487 - 12/16/04 11:37 PM Re: Why electric tweezers don't work
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I don't usually offend unless I've been offended, which is often because I'm sensitive to what people say and do.

About the hairs, the electric tweezers don't need to apply pressure for the hair to slide out; it happens after the spot tingles.

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#19488 - 12/20/04 07:41 AM Re: Why electric tweezers don't work
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Au contraire, you have to be one of the most insensitive a-holes on the planet to get written up on Wikipedia.

Chemicals and energy can cause hair to shed, but unless it is at levels which destroy the hair matrix while sparing surrounding tissue the result is temporary.
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#19489 - 03/25/05 09:09 AM Re: Why electric tweezers don't work
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Being sensitive or not doesn't correlate with one's deeds; I was talking about getting the intentions and feelings of others, which I greatly do.

I replied to your claim, "If you use a pair of tweezers and apply steady pressure to any hair for 15 seconds to two minutes, you will find they often slide out quite easily.", showing that it was irrelevant because no pressure was needed to pull the hairs out after using the tweezers, after having felt tingling or pain from a treatment. And if the tweezers were not applied, such pressure would be needed.

Anyway... I found someone on eBay selling "One Touch Painless Tweeze" (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11840&item=4366791427&rd=1) using RF. I don't know if this is the same One Touch with the needles. Look at the lengthy description and the me page of midnite.star, who goes on a tract about what removal is permanent or not. I may need your intervention.

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