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#27667 - 03/21/06 01:25 PM Re: Vector unit
sparx Offline
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Registered: 02/15/06
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Gel and patch sellers UK this is a good one see electrode gel
http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/accessories.html

or US

http://www.med-worldwide.com/unipatch-im-up239.html
This patch is a better long term one that is non vector - use with the gel - or a layer of damp sponge dipped in salt water between the patch and electrode to prevent skin marking - hold it in place with a velcro arm strap from the same suppliers.

http://www.qualitymedicalsupplies.com/page/QMS/CTGY/TE-CG

hope this helps

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#27668 - 01/09/07 11:13 AM Re: Vector unit
hairhater1 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 6
Dear James

I live in Israel (220volts)
Two questions
a. What watt transformer do i need?
b.Do the tweezers work? whats this probe business that you mentioned. Iw anted to remove hair without a needle(painless).Thus I thought of the vectoy system. am i wrong?
Is there any way of calling you to have a short friendly chat?
tuvia

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#27669 - 01/09/07 02:38 PM Re: Vector unit
James W. Walker VII Offline

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It was nice talking to you. I hope all your questions were answered.
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#27670 - 01/13/07 07:46 AM Re: Vector unit
Chuck Offline
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Bumping this thread, as I talked to hairybastard via PM, and he stated this vector unit he bought for $200 almost a year ago is working very well for him. He said he is using it on his self and most of the hair he treats just doesn't come back. Why so much hate towards the device? Isn't Galvanic slower, better kill rate, but less chance of hurting yourself? I am actually thinking about buying one of these vector units, they don't even appear to be large or conspicuous.

I guess I'm confused
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#27671 - 01/13/07 06:37 PM Re: Vector unit
NoHair Offline
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Registered: 07/18/02
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The Vector unit gets bad press because it's primarily sold as a transdermal unit, which is a scam. Only after modification (buying a probe stylus to insert into the machine instead of the transdermal patches), does it have any chance at being effective.

The unit that sells for $200 is basically a rheostat (about $2), a simple meter, and some wire in a box with a switch. About $30 retail worth of parts and then you still have to spend about $40 to buy a professional stylus and probes.

However, it's still a sturdier way to go than the One Touch and it will produce permanent results (with the modification). If you can't put together your own unit (or don't want to hassle collecting the pieces) or find a smoking deal on a professional unit on ebay for a pro unit, then it can certainly suffice.

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#38331 - 01/14/07 01:13 PM Re: Vector unit [Re: Chuck]
hairhater1 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 6
Chuck thanks.i actually sent hairy bastard a Pm asking him if his pleasant experiences were with the tweezers \:\) or with a needle/stylet \:\(

Its just that i hate stylets...

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#38332 - 01/14/07 01:23 PM Re: Vector unit [Re: NoHair]
hairhater1 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 6
Guys,

so far i should say i am getting very pleasant experiences from Divineskin (the manufactuers of vector). They claim it works on most people and surprisingly, without me even asking, they offered me the money back when i told them that i did not feel a tingling effect. Do we really all think that the vector with tweezers doesnt work?

I quote below from their email to me (after they were also kind enough to call me and discuss with me my problems with the vector)


Dear ...
.....

I did some research and found that there are different tolerances to current on different parts of the body and it is very common to feel more current on some parts that on others. This is why the Vector comes with several power levels in order to ensure that treatment can be performed anywhere on the body.

Unfortunately there are some rare cases of very low body conductivity where not even the highest settings will cause a tingling sensation, which may be your case. As we are not allowed to increase the power on the machine due to electricity safety regulations, unfortunately in these rare cases, effective results will not be seen with the current amount of power established on the system.

We recommend that you try using a larger amount of conductivity gel to see if perhaps this will aid in enhancing your body conductivity. Please make sure you are placing the electrode patch on the body and that it is attached with the alligator clip and wire to the machine. Also, you may check all the sockets and plug-ins to make certain there are no faulty connections. If this does not help, however, then we ask that you please follow the instructions below in order to receive a refund for the Vector Electrolysis System which you purchased...

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#38333 - 01/14/07 01:53 PM Re: Vector unit [Re: hairhater1]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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I really don't have the time for the normal exhaustive reply to this nonsense. The answer can be found on HairTell. In short, NO AMOUNT of conductive gel will make so called TransDermal Electrolysis work. I wish it could, because then I could clear people even faster than I do now, and therefore have more clients, and actually do a full body in one day. Alas, it is not to be.

If someone has the time to cut and paste the info from HairTell that addresses this conductive gel thing, please help me out here.

It is like you have been told above, the greatest objection we have is that for less than $100 you could build a better machine than the one they sell for $200, that still requires you to spend an additional $40 just to get any good use out of it. If that is how you want to spend $240 plus shipping and tax, go ahead, just don't think that you will get permanent hair removal rubbing your skin with electrified gel.

Seriously, if it were THAT easy, who would even consider LASER?
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#38340 - 01/14/07 07:16 PM Re: Vector unit [Re: hairhater1]
Andrea Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 4157
Loc: Los Angeles
The Vector "transdermal" option is a scam. Period. In fact, if you have promotional material from them claiming they transdermal version produces results, please send it to me so I can report them to the US Food and Drug Administration for adulteration and misbranding.

Here's the FDA waring letter to a similar scam device:

http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g4959d.htm

Quote:
The Super Phaser Gold System with Transdermal Probes and Trancutaneous Patches is adulterated under section 501(f)(1)(B) in that it is a Class III device under section 513(f) and does not have an approved application for premarket approval in effect pursuant to section 515(a), or an approved application for an investigational device exemption under section 520(g).

The device is also misbranded under Section 502(0) in that a notice or other information respecting the new intended use of the device was not provided to the FDA as required by section 510(k) and 21 CFR 807.81(a) (3) (ii). The Center for Devices and Radiological Health (CDRH) has not cleared patch or probe epilators for any indication.

For a product requiring premarket approval before marketing, the notification required by section 510(k) of the act is deemed to be satisfied when a premarket approval application (PMA) is pending before the agency, 21 CFR 807.81(b).

In 1995, American Hair Removal Systems, a company you were previously affiliated with, submitted a 510 ( k ) [redacted] for the AHRS Surface Electrolysis System, a modified patch epilator device that you apparently understood to require FDA clearance. However, CDRH's Office of Device Evaluation (ODE) had numerous unanswered questions and could not clear the device. Your device applies diffuse energy to the site, whereas needle and tweezer epilators apply directed energy. CDRH's ODE indicated a new protocol should be developed and sent you a [redacted] letter, notifying you that your submission was being withdrawn from the system and that all information should be re-submitted. FDA received no response to that notification.

Subsequently, absent FDA clearance, you marketed the device along with claims that the device is FDA cleared or approved. Appropriate data has not been submitted to support claims of no risk of infection, changes of pigmentation, no bruising, no scabbing, or no scarring, or that the procedure is painless. We have requested evidence to support these claims on several occasions but no information has been received from your firm.


Spare yourself a lot of wasted time. The patches have not been shown to work as claimed.
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#38342 - 01/14/07 07:40 PM Re: Vector unit [Re: hairhater1]
NoHair Offline
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Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 276
hairhater1,

You keep asking the same questions and don't want to hear the answers. Electronic tweeezers don't work. Gel & Patches don't work. The scammers selling such will tell you anything (mostly things that are not true) to get your money. Most will promise refunds that will never come (more lies). The people here on the forum having nothing to gain, so we tell you the truth: they don't work. The scammers will lie because it's profitable to do so.

It sounds like you've purchased the Vector unit already (since they are offering to give you your money back). If you hate using a probe, then you are wasting your time doing anything else with this unit. It's you time to waste, so hopefully you'll come back to this forum a year from now and tell the next doubters that indeed this device, when used with tweezers or patches, is a pure scam.

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