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#33993 - 06/30/06 04:35 PM Help for needle to use with Vector
banuays Offline

Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 1
Hi. I want to buy a DIY machine. I have read many pages of the forum and it seems that I decided to buy vector.

It is clear that the default tweezers should be changed to needles. But I don't know what kind of needle or probe to get.

Can you help me on the kinds of needles to buy; and where I can find them? I am in Canada; but I would prefer to buy them from an internet website. I don't have any expertise on needles, so I am especially nervous about issues like plug types to fit Vector etc.

I don't want to buy the Vector system before I am sure that I can get relevant needles. To give more information about my needs, I plan to use it for armpit and pubic hair. I don't plan to use on face.

Amazon sells vector products, and it seems that both model with and without foot pedal are the same price.

So, I would prefer to buy it with foot pedal. Then it seems that I don't need a handset. But your suggestions on this issue will also be very helpful for me.

Thanks in advance.

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#33994 - 11/03/06 05:30 PM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
sparx Offline
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Registered: 02/15/06
Posts: 71
a very common handset in use and thats used in mainy training institutes is the STEREX

but find one with a BANANA PLUG as that will fit the VECTOR

I have one like this

although the vector is still boxed as a back up to my apilus sm500 - it is a darn sight cheaper

#33995 - 11/03/06 05:37 PM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
sparx Offline
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Registered: 02/15/06
Posts: 71
PS a footpedal is a good idea if you have a footpedal then get an unswicted handset (one without the button thats cuts the power) if you cant afford the footpedal simply get a switched handset (the one with a button on it)

get some 003 ballet needles for it and away you go

have fun

PS remember VECTOR BOXES on off switches can be firm and need a solid CLICK to know they are on or off they aint a puney click

if you think it aint working simply push the on swtch a BIT HARDER

#33996 - 12/05/06 02:15 AM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
ceecee Offline

Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Colorado
Help me here...
Everything on the Vector description on Amazon points to:


I quote "unlike other battery operated radio frequency devices". Magic tweasers, please... If it is a galvanic device, then yes, a professional stylus/needle and it could work, but this stinks to high heaven. Have I missed a thread somewhere that explains why this isn't a rip off?

Is there really an RF Generator in the vector box?, I seriously doubt it. Has anyone taken one apart? Am I missing something here?

Here is a quote from another Vector site:
"Unlike other devices that use radio frequencies and batteries, the Vector uses the process of electrolysis to dissolve the hair follicle with AC power"

WRONG... Electrolysis is by definition a DC power process, Chemistry 101.

Also, the sites claim FDA registration. This probably involces a 37 cent stamp to achieve. If it really is AC (which implies RF thermolysis) then is also needs an FCC certification.


#33997 - 12/05/06 12:33 PM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
James W. Walker VII Offline

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Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 8055
Loc: Buffalo NY, & Traveling the US...
You bring up something that often gets confusing for those who have a little more education than many others.

In the marketplace, there is a concept referred to as, "Genericide". Basically, Genericide is when one comes up with a product, or process, that becomes so popular that the name of your product becomes so well known as to be the in the public mind as the noun, verb, and adjective of that particular thing. For example, people use the term Kool-aide for any non-carbonated chemical & sugar drink, and web searching information is said to be "Googling" someone, or something.

Scientifically speaking, electrolysis is an electro-chemical reaction. Original Galvanic electrolysis perfectly qualifies under this term, as does blend, because, when done to specs, the thermolysis is only a catalyst. When Thermolysis/Diathermy came along, it was marketed as "Electrolysis" because the public came to accept the idea that Electrolysis = Permanent Hair Removal. Since the general public did not understand the scientific basis for the name as process.

This lead to legal challenges to force so-called "Thermologists and Diathermists" to be barred from using the term "Electrolysis" and any derivatives based on the fact that their treatment does not conform to the chemical definition of Electrolysis, although it was, in fact hair removal.

In both the US and England, it was decided that since the average street level person would be confused if one said one was going to perform electrolysis on a dirty penny to clean it, and would scratch their head and ask, "How can you remove hair from a penny?", Thermolysis is allowed to be called Electrolysis, as it pertains to hair removal.

It only confuses those who know enough to know EXACTLY what true electrolysis really is.

Getting back to the Vector/Global/Any other scam machine, as long as an actual metal probe is inserted into the skin, the machine has the possibility to work. Some need modification, most are poorly made, and won't last long even if you do modify them, and it looks like the majority of them won't work if used as directed by the manufacturer. The Super Phaser Gold instructs consumers to apply conductive pads to their skin, and send electric charge into the skin and hope that enough chemical reaction takes place to cause permanent hair removal, WITHOUT burning off the top layer of skin in the process. If you don't know, that is not possible.

I hope this helps.
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#33998 - 12/05/06 08:02 PM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
SpaceMunkee Offline

Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 17
One discussion I remember was backHere Ceecee.

Basically, for 10 times the price of a One Touch you can get a (Galvanic only) machine 20 times as good, but it's still not as good as a pro machine.

Oh yeah, and the company that makes it are jerks, so don't expect support.


#33999 - 12/06/06 04:24 AM Re: Help for needle to use with Vector
ceecee Offline

Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Colorado
Thanks for the clarifications. I see this has been talked to death. I have been through the one-touch --> homemade progression which I documented on an old thread. I managed to score an old Instatron MC160 on eBay for $100 (that Dr Heimlich did not bid on) a couple of years ago. That works fine, and blend really speeds things up. More recently, I have completed a series of laser treaments and plan to follow up with some pro electrolysis, so I am well beyond the Vector. I don't know why this thread bubbled up as a active topic, but I could not contain my scam alarm...



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