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#48370 - 12/29/07 12:08 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Nur]
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This website is supportive of any method that works and pleases the consumer. We offer advice and back up the advice given with the pro's and con's. It is ultimately the decision of the hairy person which way to proceed, based on what they learn and what is availbale to them in their locale. We rejoice when posters like yourself tell about their successful experience. Thank you for your contribution.

A couple of things to point out: Vaniqa is definitely used in conjunction with laser. Vaniqa does not interfer with laser. Some clinicians report that using Vaniqa may mean that one needs less laser sessions.

Point two: Electrolysis is not for small areas only. I repeatedly say here that if all electrologists were using quality tools - computerized epilators, surgical magnification, halogen or LED lighting - and put good skill and special techniques to use, then a PCOS woman with a loaded beard on her face and neck could get first full clearance in 3-5 hours on average. Maintaining the area(s) and keeping the area hairfree would continue for about a year to 18 months. By month twelve, with consistent treatments, it becomes a nit picking process wih very few hairs needing treatment. Redness is not a problem if the electrologist has good equipment and skill. One does not have to grow hair for a week if the electrologist has high quality surgical magnification and lighting. If you don't have an electrologist in your locale that has modernized and continues to educate herself to speed up the process with little skin reaction, then you are doing the best you can and I admire your efforts to figure out what is working for you. No one would need Vaniqa or laser for facial hair if electrologists would bring it up several levels. The process of electrolysis is not to blame, but rather blame the electrologist that is stuck in the mud on Valium, performing at mediocre levels that do not serve them or at worse, their hirsute clients.

Vaniqa is a hair growth retardant. It does nothing to solve your problem longterm. You have correctly pointed that out already. For the many women who don't have the NHI plan with others paying for this expensive cream that lasts one to three months depending on the size of the area, it is very expensive and they do become a slave to a product that may or may not help them. It takes 2-6 months for this product to work. It was designed to be used with a person's other hair removal method (shaving, waxing, laser). It is not a depilatory. Should not be used if you are pregnant or are planning on becoming pregnant.

May I add that computerized epilators are available in many brands such as Apilus SX-500 and Platinum, SilhouetTone VMC model, Gentronics, Clareblend (recently), Fischer. Did I miss any? Consumers need to demand a better product if they feel dismayed by what they are currently getting. There is a way to do electrolysis within an acceptable timeframe and with great skin outcome. Oh, yes, and it is permanent, if performed correctly.

I favor electrolysis for the face, but if there is not a professional electrologist nearby that can handle your problem, then your plan will have to suffice, unfortunately. It will be very slow, but you seem content.


Edited by dfahey (12/29/07 01:53 AM)
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#48371 - 12/29/07 12:18 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: LAgirl]
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I really dont think there is a one "correct" way, that is what my post was trying to say.

I was not saying electrolysis doesnt work either, but it does take time and effort. This effort is something which a person wouldnt understand the complexity of until you go through it yourself.

You havent seen my hair growth nor the other issues I have so Im not sure you would be able to really comment on what type of treatment I am having.

Oh and I dont spend hundreds of dollars on vaniqa. I get a tube for 3-4 which is something like 6-8 US dollars. Its just great. \:\)

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#48372 - 12/29/07 12:21 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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I really think this person should visit our hair removal gallery. The photos there show people who have had real results.

I dare say that my client M.C. had more hairs removed than Nur has to give, and yet we were done in 15 months.

Before:
http://www.hairtell.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/152
After:
http://www.hairtell.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/155
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#48373 - 12/29/07 12:36 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Nur]
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Dee

You are right that if all electrolgists were up to date and modernised things would be that more easier, I think electrologists have modernised much more in the US than they have in the UK. Ive even been to some expensive London clinics and even they dont have what you describe. It is a real shame. The reality is that 98% of most clinics dont have what you describe.

I agree that Vaniqa isnt a long term thing but for the moment and for the next few years it is great and it is cheap, it works and so I dont mind.

Im not convinced that it is economical combining vaniqa with laser though - maybe after your laser treatments for any finer hair that is left (and which the laser cant get) but not during. Although I would probably blast those fine hairs with electrolysis anyway - and if I was in dire need add vaniqa too.

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#48375 - 12/29/07 12:43 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Nur]
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James

Noone is disputing that electrolysis works. And as Dee mentioned, very few people like yourself and Dee have the machines and equipment you have, so it is misleading to say those results can be got anywhere all over the world in any location.

In addition, your client as a transgender would have used tablets which alter the hormones to additionally get rid of the hair and stop NEW hair from coming in. He didnt become female hair free by just electrolysis.

I cant use those tablets, unfortunately. And those tablets, can have extreme unwanted side effects.

It always used to and still does puzzle me how transgenders could have perfect hair free skin and why docs cant get females to have the same without a million complications!

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#48377 - 12/29/07 12:59 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Nur]
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We don't say that anyone can get the results we give anyplace in the world just by throwing a dart at a list of practitioners. That is one of the reasons this site exists.

It is incorrect to say that TG women have a drug course that RIDS THEM OF HAIR. The best the drugs can do is reduce in diamiter what ever hair they have on the face not the amount. Those drugs DO tend to keep any new follicles from starting to grow, but a person who fixed what ever was causing the PCOS hair growth would be in the same situaion.

So, your misunderstanding of that is the problem here. ELectrolysis *IS* the thing that allows TG women to have hair free and care free skin. The men who I clear live just as care free as the TG's that I treat when we are done. Problem for me is, I don't have any before and afters of just plain men who are willing to release their photos for viewing here, and most PCOS women don't want anyone seeing the "evidence" either. \:\) Only the TG's think it is more important to educate people than to have have plausable deniability about their treatments.
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#48378 - 12/29/07 01:09 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Nur,

Most electrologists understand what you are saying because we've been there. We've looked in that mirror before.

The reason you get the Vaniqa for such a cheap price is because somebody else is paying for it with their taxes. That is not the case here in the US or in other countries like Italy. You are very lucky to have this advantage and I believe you when you say you are happy with your plan. The profession of electrolysis needs pratitioners who willingly upgrade and learn the best ways to get the hair off fast and permanently without violent skin reactions. Then people like you would not be a on such a slow train to permanency. I see women like you everyday, yes, I even work on Sundays. I don't need to see you to believe what you are dealing with, Nur. I get it. Again, your story is important and may help others figure out that using Vaniqa will give them relief. My frustration lies with practitioners that set themselves and their clients up for failure and betrays a proceedure (electrolysis)that offers what they really need for a furry face and neck, all accomplished in as little as 9-18 months.

Please understand that we are not jumping on your back, but rather we can't allow misinformation about electrolysis to stand unchallenged and misrepresented.
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http://www.electrolysis.co.uk/?page_id=16

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#48379 - 12/29/07 01:14 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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But its still a combination, to get rid of it right? So Im not really misunderstanding.

It is very difficult to "fix" PCOS. Some women can and do it brilliantly, but many many others dont without a lot of struggle along the way.

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#48380 - 12/29/07 01:16 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Nur]
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Why dont you come to London Dee? ;\)

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#48381 - 12/29/07 01:25 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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Oh, may I add that the laser and Vaniqa information was obtained from an unrestricted grant from SkinMedica, Inc. and Shire Pharmaceuticals Group. Leading dermatologists discuss how they've integrated Vaniqa into their practices and all of them say that they encourage patients to use Vaniqa while receiving laser hair reduction. There are several dermatology physician that are proponets for using both. I'll try to find the link for citation purposes.
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