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#48382 - 12/29/07 01:47 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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Nur,

I really hate traveling. Haven't hired a psychiatrist yet, as some friends have suggested. Don't need to because I figured out a while ago that traveling takes a lot of energy and I have none to spare.

Seriously, it would be so easy for the professional electrologists worldwide to bring it up. Apilus and SilhouetTone are international companies. I'm not sure about the other great companies I mentioned above, but they all can ship epilators anywhere. There's a better way to do permanent hair removal if present electrolysis setups are not pleasing clients for whatever reasons. Frustration is high on my side of the fence when I read posts like yours. Many of us professional electrologists know what works well and can deliver results to depressed or dismayed people like you. James and Dee are not the only ones that know this information. We are not that special in what we do and there should be no need for anyone traveling anywhere to get electrolysis if there was a way to get the word out that modern electrolysis care is within every professionals reach.
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#48384 - 12/29/07 05:00 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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I agree very much so with what Dee is saying, specifically :" The process of electrolysis is not to blame but rather the electrologist stuck in the mud is". I can tell just after a month and a half that electrolysis is helping me and I have noticed a HUGE difference between a good electrologist with an awesome machine,who incorporates new modalities like microflash but no tried and true Blend modality, but crappy lighting and magnification equipment, and a great electrologist who does all modalities with a top of the line eplitator, as well as top of the line lighting AND mag equipment. The difference is incredible in every sense of the word.Unfortunately for me the great electrologist is 3 hrs away and the good one only 1 hr, which is still better than a bad electrologist with outdated equipment who only does one or two modalities down the street.

The sad reality is that many of us don't even have 2 out of 3 of these options anywhere remotely near us and we may be the ones left with only a mediocre electrolgist with mediocre equipment at best. What can we do to change this? Dee- you mentioned that we need to say something as customers but how and to whom? It seems like even the crappy electrologists are still getting enough business that they simply are not motivated to make any changes to their program, and meanwhile the rest of us, as hairy consumers, are suffering and at the mercy of the practicioners.

When I made my intial phone calls to research practitioners and asked if they used surgical loupes, one response I got was " I don't have time for that". This wraps up my frustration in a nutshell. PLEASE MAKE THE TIME FOR US, YOUR LIVELIHOOD!! I wonder if a plea to practitioners can be brought up at electrology conventions or something along those lines. Maybe we all can sign a petition here on hairtell....who's game? I will personally take the time to mail something out snailmail to everyone who's interested if it would help! This to me is tantamount to writing my local politician.....if only hair removal were as important to more ppl as it is to us.

Regarding Vaniqa: I still have a half tube that I stopped using b/c I broke out horribly and I think vaniqa was a big part of the culprit since it started a week into using it, but I am not sure. If I didn't have this reaction AND I got it for $6 a tube,I might be tempted to use it also. I did not mind putting it on at night but I didn't like the texture and "pilling" of the cream on my face during the day before putting on my make-up. It left little white residue peices on my skin and just made me waste more time in front of the mirror obsessing about not only the hair, but now other stuff drawing attention to my face.

I do agree that you need to stick with what makes you feel most comfortable, as long as you know the facts and have done your research. This forum is so helpful to see what other ppl in similar situations have experienced. I still feel so alone sometimes cuz I don't see too many hairy ppl in the real world, but I feel hope and connection when I'm reading or writing on this forum.

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#48387 - 12/29/07 08:09 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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Have you seen a reputabe endocrinologist who specializes in PCOS? Reading a site like soulcysters.com where PCOS women share their stories and tips. There are ways to get your growth under control, without side effects. Run a search for spiro on this forum to get an idea. Even a birth control pill like Yasmine is sometimes enough to balance the hormones out for some women. Once again, this is something that a specialist can determine.

Also, there are many discussions here on London electrologists if you run a search. Maybe you can sample a couple more and find someone who is good and fast. What I'm not understanding is why you have the need to use Vaniqa if you're getting all the hair removed by electrolysis at each treatment, which is the most efficient way to get rid of all the hair. Even if you have a lot of hair, you should get to a clearance within a month or two at most, and then come in for treatment every time you see new hair pop up as weak new hairs are most easily killed. Can you expand on your treatments?

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#48762 - 01/15/08 06:19 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: LAgirl]
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Does Hair inhibitors really work? I've heard of Kalo and tried several brands. But they dont seem to work as claimed. =( How lucky some pple are to be born hairless

PS: sorry I experience some error in the page and thus I have to use this to talk. I cant post new topic now... for whatever reason

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#48763 - 01/15/08 01:34 PM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Austrina]
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Things like Kalo only give the illusion of slower growth, if they have any effect at all. Vaniqua only slows the growth process, but as soon as you stop using it, one loses all effect.
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#49735 - 02/27/08 01:59 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: alli]
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I am constantly mazed at the people who are telling electrologists what kind of loupe to use or what kind of machine to use or some other advice they really know nothing about. I SAW ONE POST FROM A PERSON WHO WANTED "MEDICAL GRADE MAGNIFICATION". There is no such thing. There is high magnification,low magnification or something in between. Then there is the eyesight of the electrologist to consider, plus are the glasses CLEAN.

THERE IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPERATORS. However, micro flash and some other names are designed to SELL the machine and it works. WE HAVE BEEN EDUCATED BY ADVERTISING THAT "NEWER IS BETTER{" BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE. If someone buys a new machine, for whatever reason, they HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT SO THEY REPEAT WHAT THE MANUFACTURERS SAY BUT THIS IS ONLY HYPE. Next week it will be NANO FLASH machine THEN TERA FLASH. However, when the right amout of heat is delivered to the right location during the anagen pase the treatment will be successful. This is no different than the type and number of DIETS availble. If you follow any of them and decrease your intake while increasing your output...you will lose weight. It all boils down to arithmetic. If you can see this you have got it licked but ONLY YOU CAN DO IT. You can not blame anyone else for failure. In electrolysis you can try to blame the machine, or lighting, or technique but you still have to consider how many hairs there are to remove, how large is the area, is the patient cooperating (keeping appointments, on time, clean, following post treatment instructions. etc.)

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#49738 - 02/27/08 03:56 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: lefty2g , LE, CPE]
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You are wrong again, Harvey Grove LE CPE. You really don't need to shout to make your point. You can use all the capital letters you want, but that doesn't make you the first and last authority on issues such as magnification, lighting or computerization in electrolysis. After greater than 2,500 posts that I have made over five years on this forum about such issues, I do not desire to repeat and engage in detailed exchanges with a retired electrolgist whose manner of approach borders on arrogance. I am constantly amazed by electrologists who boast that they have 27 years under their belt, and then lectures others that there is no way like the old way. I assume that your lecturing is one-sided because you never enlightened yourself about the other side. An open mind is a wonderful treasure to possess, you know.

If I were a betting woman, I would have to bet that you haven't even come close to touching a computerized epilator, or purchasing medical grade magnification or medical grade lighting. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN HOW CAN YOU BE SUCH AN AUTHORITY WITH YOUR SHOUT OUTS THAT BETTER TOOLS ARE ONLY ABOUT HYPE! Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to shout at you, Harvey. We explain and share with consumers what works really, really well in our practices and share this same information with other electrologists who may be curious enough to want the same and upgrade. If they choose not to do anything, their clients will still get permanent hair removal, eventually someday, on most hair structures, if they can see them.
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#52637 - 06/03/08 01:42 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: dfahey]
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ive done electrolysis and laser. My mum was a beautician so had lots of electrolyis and had laser for years

and I have bad hirsutism. I can say elecyrolysis works. It does- I have removed sideburns thriugh this and hair on upper lip. Its worked and is better. The hair hasnt come back. But like i said I have it bad an i need it done over the whole face and not possible with eletrolysis. PLus I think I was getting too scared mentally with electrolysis. I think if you can take electrolysis get that done. I It honestly works better and faster.

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#53743 - 07/09/08 11:30 PM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Arlene R. Batz, CPE]
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Originally Posted By: Arlene R. Batz, CPE
I see that you know that once you stop using the drug, the hair will return. Why would you want to take a drug twice a day if you can end your unwanted hair problems with electrolysis?

I see that the Vaniqa post was your first and only post here.


I'm totally not a pro, but from what I have learned is that some conditions will cause you to continue to sprout new hairs out of different follicles, even if you permanently remove the existing ones. I could see how Vaniqa might be a better option there.


Edited by Ruby23 (07/09/08 11:31 PM)

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#53747 - 07/10/08 12:49 AM Re: My experience with Vaniqa [Re: Ruby23]
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Vaniqa just makes you shave a bit less. And you have to apply it often and it's expensive. It doesn't actually remove the hair. Electrolysis removes the hair permanently. The body doesn't develop hair every day after you remove it permanently. So if you remove it permanently with electrolysis, you will need touchups once in a while for any brand new hair that your body develops (IF you have condition that you describe). But otherwise, you'll be hairfree. So you'll be putting that money towards a permanent solution.

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