hehehhe, hey guyz.. well, i've been doing a lot of reading... i've been really patient with everything, i really enjoyed reading all the topics on here, i learned alot... for the last little while, i've been looking for forums, and people to chat with, so i can really get some information on this stuff... this certainly is the place n e wayz.. i'm here now.. so i might as well just ask for some advice... ok, well... i'm a supa dupa n00bie to this stuff.. so... i've read about the depilatories, effects, and bad products, but one question that hasn't been answered is... "can i really get a permanent hair removal cream/spray, that will actually take out the hair from the roots, and make it so it never grows back??" <-- i know i'll be shut down really hard... and the answer is no.. but dayumnnnn, with all this technology, and science, they can't make somethin' that works, and does a simple task?? i mean.. geeeeeeez, gimme a break..... i think i'm starting to believe the saying: BEAUTY IS PAIN no matter how far we go with technology.... in the end, i just really wanna get rid of back hair, and chest hair, permanently, and i'd like to do it painlessly... i've read about Kalo Hair removing spray, and i was told i had to remove the hair by tweezing, or waxing.... now that's painfull..... i think i'll have to get drunk when i'm doing it.... that's the only way.... has anyone tried kalo?? and should i go with the waxing then spraying kalo on it, method??? or is there really a cream out there that does it's job???? n e wayz, i think i'm a lost puppy... heh.... if u guyz have any comments, or suggestions, i'd really appreciate it.... and i'm very sorry to hear that u guyz got ripped off, it really sux.... but then again, without u guyz, i'd be even more lost myself... heehhehehe n e wayz, thx alot guyz, take care of urselves, i'll be back on some time, to check this forum out.. thx!!!! see ya!!!

Thanks for the kind words, Preacher!

Unfortunately, painless and permanent do not coexist in the world of hair removal. The part of the hair follicle that has to be destroyed to stop growth is surrounded by a cluster of nerves. That's why even something simple like plucking hurts so much. I even put up a photo on my site:

Hairfacts: Follicle nerve photo

There is nothing on the market at this time that can destroy a hair root when applied topically. Kalo and the like make all sorts of claims that they can, but these claims have not been demonstrated under controlled clinical conditions.

For more on this, check out the Nonprescription Topical forum.

heh.... i c, i c... well, it really makes sense.... thx for the site, i've book marked it ... so this brings me to the next plan.... waxing.... or... u know, whatever that get's the hairs outta the roots.... the plan is to just wax my back to death.... so.... what do u recommend??? cuz we got a shoppers drug mart down here, hehehe.. i'll have to take my g.f with me, to go and buy the stuff..... it'll save me some embarassment..... For the first timmers, does it hurt like crazy? and then after, does the pain tone down, the more u wax, or tweeze hair??? thx

Waxing might hurt on sensitive areas, but it's not too bad on the back and shoulders. At worst, it feels like someone quickly pulling off a giant Band-Aid.

You should probably have your girlfriend do it for you, since it's hard to do your own back.

You might consider waxing with a pro once first to see/feel how they do it.

As far as home brands, the kits with a little jar you heat up are pretty good, but I personally like the kind with squeezable rectangular cartridges you put in a warmer.