Hi, has anyone heard of this new home laser device?

http://www.tria.co.uk

there are a ton of these devices. they're not really new. there are always plenty of desperate consumers willing to spend a few hundreds dollars to "cure" their problem. unfortunately, it's not that easy.

currently no home devices that are powerful enough to produce any permanent hair reduction. we would all be using one if there was. this site doesn't provide any specs on this unit and the reason is probably very simple - it emits very little power to cause any permanent damage to the follicle. this should also be obvious because there is a reason that the professional machines cost $50K and up and are not sold to consumers. they're not safe to operate or own without proper training and equipment. anything that is would have to be very "safe", i.e. ineffective. the "studies" the provide are meaningless. 60% removal 3 weeks post treatment? technically, you're supposed to see 100% removal 3 weeks after first treatment, except calling it "removal" is misleading in the first place. these studies were only conducted to test "safety" for home use, not effectiveness.

Andre, Andre, Andre! Please keep in mind that the power of heat in the right amount is needed to destroy all the necessary structures of the sturdy hair follicle below the skin. You have asked about several products for home use and none of them emit the energy/power that is needed to permanently destroy a hair. Go get real laser treatments from a qualified technician.

Removing hair permanently is not zip-zap easy or quick and all the bare naked ladies in these slick glossy's try to deceive good,hopeful people like yourself.

Dee

whats the min energy required to do damage to the hairs?

the spec is on here http://www.tria.co.uk/technicalspecifications.htm

Poster's sslhr or lagirl will have to answer this question as there are differences among each kind of laser that have been CLEARED by the FDA for hair removal.

Several wavelengths of laser energy are involved for effective hair removal. Pulsewidth is an important consideration. Spot size affects treatment. Repetition rate for heating an area matters. It takes more than joules/fluence to evaluate what laser may be effective on your skin and hair type.

It would be great if sslhr could get more technical with you after he reads the specifications of this particular product. I hope he will check in. I'm thinking 250 pulses is all you get for one charging and that is well below what you can get professionally speaking. I'm thinking that cleared home devices are all about safety more than effectiveness because you don't know who (child or an adult idiot)could get their hands on this gadget and do serious harm. Another clue is, no eye protection is needed. How powerful can this thing be with the an obnoxious sturdy structure like a hair?

Dee

10mm spot size even at max 24 joules on a diode is very low and will not kill your hair, especially at a pulse of 125-600. sorry. to give you something to compare, LightSheer diode that is actually effective is only effective at settings of at LEAST 25 joules and up, 12mm spot size, and has pulse range of 5-100ms (the lower the pulse, the more effective).

But do you think this would cause any reduction at all, doesnt really matter if its permanent?

If you would like to be the pioneer and go forward and buy this product, then you can tell us how well it works. It may be just what you are looking for.

I don't have the time, the money, or the desire to buy every gimmick out there (there are literally hundreds) and try it out on myself. It might cause some shedding, it might not. Who knows. I would definitely read your report if you decide to try it though. Then, we can post it for others who come looking for an easy but not permanent solution. If you're not looking for a permanent solution, I don't see why it's worth it to pay money for this instead of a wax or a good razor.

This is a diode laser. The best way to understand a diode (the same laser in a laser pointer) is to think of having thousands of laser pointers bundled together all pointing at the same direction. When you turn them on they are on and pumping out photons and when you turn them off, they are all off.

Now each manufacturer limits the number of diodes in the bundle due to cost and design issues. So the way to make up for this design limitation is to leave them on longer so they pump out more photons. This is different from the other type of laser called a pump chamber laser. Now this laser, which is pretty low powered in the sense that it doesn't have many diodes in the array (that bundle of laser pointers) only reaches 24 joules. It could actually reach higher joules by leaving it on longer.

To compare this laser to the LightSheer, another diode that is used for hair removal, This laser pumps out 1 joule of energy every 20 or so milliseconds, while the Lightsheer pumps out 1 joule every 2 ms. So basically this laser is 1/10th the power of the Lightsheer before we even begin to discuss the spot size difference.

Now can this system eliminate hair? No, it is not powerful enough.

Could it temporarily put hair into a dormant state so that it doesn't grow? It might and I am sure that in some it does. The energy necessary to put a hair into a temporary dormant state is much less than the energy necessary to kill that hair.

You said this laser cant eliminate hair, i thought all lasers never permanently remove hair just reduce it?? On a tanned/brown skin patient what would the settings be at if they were to go to a laser clinic? would it not be around 24-30 joules?

And also what difference does the spot size make? is it that the bigger it is the more faster larger areas can be treated?

Lasers can permanently remove hair if the circumstances are right.

- your assumption is wrong. i don't know where you go that. lasers CAN permanenly destroy hair. professional powerful machines that is, not this device. and on the right skin and hair type and at correct settings.

- how fast an area can be treated is only a side benefit. larger spot size puts out more energy and reaches deeper into the follicle.

- if you're asking about joules on this little machine, it's a useless question. if you read sslhr's post carefully, he outlines how you would need at least 10 times as many joules on this machine to produce the effect that a professional diode like LightSheer would produce (so 25 joules on LightSheer which is needed at minimum for effectiveness would mean 250 on this thing), and that's not taking into account the pulse and spot size issues. if you're asking about joules on a professional machine, it's more complicated than that especially for brown skin. You would need a Yag laser and settings are not equivalent among machines. It would depend on the machine used.

Guys.... Why donīt you just shut up and let someone who has tried it give their opinion... If you donīt want to buy it... donīt! Anywayz... why are you so interested in talking terribly about a device you havenīt even tried ?!? Hmm... Geeee I wonder why...
And by the way Miss lagirl... a razor makes your hair come back "thicker" and in less than 2 days you gotta shave again...thereīs a BIG difference...Have you ever shaved your legs?
Maybe its not permanent, but even if itīs long lasting and it put hair ( as sslhr says ) in a dormant state...it works for me!

Miss lagirl let me ask you something... why do they call it permanent hair removal? Why donīt they just call it...definitive? and also...why is it called now permanent hair REDUCTION?...As you are so instructed on lasers...maybe you can explain this to me and the guys!

considering the rudeness in your posts, i won't repeat what has been stated on this forum for more than 5 years now in various threads AND in detail right above in this very thread (did you ignore everything stated above with the REASONS explained as to why it doesn't work?). use the search feature at the top right and you'll find the answers to your questions in other threads too.

while you're at it, also search "shaving" (and do this elsewhere if you'd like as well) so you can learn why shaving DOESN'T make the hair any different. It's an old wive's tale.

I just thought I'd bump this thread back up to the top to see if anyone has gotten this yet. It's my understanding that it's been available in Japan since 2005, so hopefully by now it's known whether or not it actually does anything. If anyone here can read Japanese, it'd be cool if you could summarize what's being said.

Darker skin types need YAG lasers, as mentioned above. However, the skin must not be tanned, when I say tanned I don't mean natural colouring, I'm talking about sun tan. When the skin is exposed to UV light, the melanin particles become "excited", thus making even light skin more prone to burning.

Hence why for the past year I haven't ventured out into the sun. Even when I went to Lanserote I just stayed in the shade and crammed for my exams because my skin tans way to easily if I was out having fun in the sun, even with SPF30 or 40.

Regards,
Benji

I've decided to take the plunge and try Tria when it comes out. I'll let y'all know what happens. I gather from reading reviews of it that it does something(feels like a rubber band snapping and causes shedding). It'll be interesting to see if the results are long term.

I was discussing this with my husband the other night and he made an interesting point when I said "how could something that costs $1000 work as well as something that normally costs $50,000." He pointed out that professional equipment is always much more than the home version. Professional equipment has to withstand several hours a day, everyday usage. Granted, that doesn't mean the Tria will actually work, though. We'll see.

I wonder what kind of chrystal they are planning on using in this machine.

All the home lasers that I know of are diodes for some reason.

The issue is that machines for home use have much lower settings. They don't allow home machines to have very high settings due to potential damage they can cause.

i'm interested in this, been looking at the tria website - and it looks impressive
of course it would be a very low setting so would take a long time for results but since i have just sparser or finer areas left over from laser
(have had legs, arms, bikini, underarms, face, abdomen)
and just want to reduce the finer hairs that didn't respond - abdomen, upper thighs, face, upper arms)

If a more powerful laser didn't affect these hairs, this thing will definitely not do it either. You need electrolysis.

After seeing that the Tria wouldn't be available at their website until fall, I decided to get one from England. I tried it today on my bikini line(not the whole thing) and my armpits. On my bikini line, it felt like a rubber band snap and my armpits felt like a mild zap. The skin around the hair folicles is pink, now.

This was much less painful than my experience with a pro. When I went to the pro, I only had shedding in the burned areas which was about a third of my legs. It may not cause permanent damage, but if it gives results similar to waxing without the ingrown hairs, then I'll consider this money well spent.

I'll report back in a couple of weeks.

How much did you spend for this Tria if you don't mind saying so?? It will be great if you can disable the follicles for a certain period of time. Thanks for your report. It is so much more helpful to hear an actual report from someone who has tried something like this rather than debating back and forth as to whether the Tria is useful for hair control. We'll be thinking about you melissa, so come back in a couple of weeks! Thanks!

I paid $1200. In case anyone's interested, I got it from www.winhealth.co.uk
It only took a week to get here which is the fastest I've ever gotten anything from across the pond. I got the outlet adapter from Amazon but I probably could've gotten that locally. I have a multi-regional dvd player, so I'm not sure if the dvd would work in a North American dvd player. It's basically the same info as in the manual.

Since region codes are a scheme to make sure that both the release dates, and price structures of different areas are protected, I doubt an instruction manual would use a region code. The DVD is probably region free.

What region coding allows for is the theatrical release of a film in one country, of a movie that is already on DVD shelves in another, then later, it keeps people from buying ligitimate DVD's from one country at the closeout prices, while another country is still selling the same DVD in the "New Releases" section for top dollar. After all, anyone who knows anyone in South East Asia can get most movies for $5 or less.

Right, and as long as it's ntsc and not pal then people in North America can watch it.

Actually, many american DVD's will play a PAL DVD as well, but one may have some jumps in the picture here and there. Others won't play them at all.

The funny thing is, the older and the cheaper your DVD player, the MORE likely it will be to play a PAL in the US

Can you tell an untechnie what a PAL is?

Humbly,

Dee

Pal Secam is the European DVD system.

Appreciate that.

It's been a week since I tried Tria and so far I have bald spots on my bikini line and no obvious change to my armpits. I didn't overlap like the instructions said, so I probably would have gotten better results on my bikini line.

Thanks to my deodorant, I have dry flakey skin on my armpits, so that could be why it doesn't appear to have worked there. I'm going to go without deodorant for a week and try it again. Pity the people within 10 feet of me.

Eagerly waiting for answer
I need this, please make it work

It's been a couple of weeks since I used Tria on my bikini line and it looks like it's about 75% bald in the area that got treated. Considering that I didn't overlap, that's pretty good.

I lasered my lower legs about a week ago and I've got some bald spots, some pepper spots, and some areas that appear to still be growing. Since my bikini line had a fair amount of hair that continued to grow but is now gone, I'm hopeful.

I tried lasering my underarms again Monday, and today I see some bald spots. I'm pretty relieved because this is the area I most wanted Tria to work on. I was using Adidas cottonTech+ for women which made my armpits super dry and flakey. I'm pretty sure that's why Tria didn't work on me the first time.

After reading some things here, I'm pretty sure my one experience with a laser pro wasn't right, so I can't say how Tria compares to a professional machine. So far, it appears to be doing its job, but I have a feeling that a good pro would be more efficient.

What kind of skin type do you have Melissa? Does this machine work for skin type 3? They say light skin to avoid being sued, but if it is a diode I wonder if one can try on using it on skin type 3 (at least in ares where you don't mind risking some pigment change).

Melissa is there way to talk to you through IM or mail (just to keep a conversation) I am really interested in tria, and if you say it has been 2 weeks since your treatment and you are still 75% bald, well that is _REALLY_ awesome.

I don't mind if it is not permanent, as long as it takes more then 3 weeks to grow back.
I tried waxing. IT grew back after 1 week.
I am pretty hairy though.

You can PM me, if you want. It's taking a few weeks for the hair to fall out so, I've been shaving every few days. I think Tria has a bit of a learning curve, so I'll probably be more enthusiastic about it in a few months. Overlaping takes some patience but then so does driving in rush hour traffic then waiting for 45 minutes in a lobby. If you have a lot of areas to treat, then I think Tria's worth trying.

Hi all,
Mind if I butt in?
I have also just bought a Tria and used it for the first time yesterday.
Like another poster here mentioned, Im not looking for a permanent solution but if Tria keeps my 'problem' away for at least a month before I have to use it again I would be happy.
I have always been pretty hairy, especially on my legs, although since having my two children, the hair on my legs started to fall out and now my legs are what I consider to be 'normal' hairy legs. However the area on either side of my chin bone went the opposite way during my pregnancies and thick black hairs sprouted there which I have to attend to everyday.
I was at the end of my tether so I bought the Tria mostly to deal with that area. With two small children in tow, I just dont have time to go to a laser hair removal salon, and after trying EVERYTHING else on the market, this is my last resort.
I will also report back after a month and tell you all if I see any improvement.
As long as Tria either keeps the hairs at bay for a month at least, or if the hair come back lighter and finer, I will be satisfied.
Fingers crossed!

Melissa and Bugs,

Your reports will be most appreciated. I would ask you you to stay with us for at least a year or two with those observations. You can't really draw conclusions after a month. Reporting patterns are much better over a period of at least a year. Thanks for adding a real dimension to the Tria device.

Dee

Keep in mind a few things:

- 1-3 weeks is not indicative of anything just yet. If you just plucked the hair, it would also be gone for that long.

- 1 week after laser is too early to tell anything too. It takes 3 weeks for the hair to fall out.

I really hope it works even for a month or so.
But I've heard that the tria is too weak and
http://www.easy-hair-removal.com/LD2K.html

Would actually be better since it's stronger. Can anyone confirm that?

Tria is the strongest home laser product on the market. The product in your link is a useless gimmick.

lagirl, don't take this the wrong way, some of us are desperate (but I won't purchase unless I am 100% sure) but how can you be so sure of that.

Sure I am not saying that the product will or will not work.
I am just stating the fact that it _SAYS_ it got 1-100 pulse on a 54jcm2.
Now wether that is true or not, I don't know.
But lets assume it is true, wouldn't that be more efficient then Tria?
And if so, that would be awesome
Anyway I just need confirmation from someone who has actually bought the product.
I couldn't find it under the "scam" site here on hairtell.

The problem is that you're just starting this search and we've been here for years. You need to read more posts here to understand what a device needs to have in order to produce permanent damage to the follicle. You're trying to find things out of desperation. Think of it this way - if there was something that was great for such a low cost and for at home use, we all wouldn't be spending thousands on professional treatments. There is no magic device that has been hidden from everyone because it's so great. If it existed, it'd be the most popular thing on this planet.

Nothing with a 1mm spot size would do that. As SSLHR pointed out to you in the other thread, GentleLASE is 120 times more powerful than this gimmick. The power of the device lies not just with the joules, but with the spot size and pulse COMBINED with the joules. That's because lowering the spot size in turn makes the other two variables so low, they're ineffective.

Alright, but isn't this machine (gimmick) stronger then the Tria?
just a theory, of course..

And you are saying it's not enough, how come Tria seems to be more endorsed?

I keep wondering what P&G/Palomar are doing. They had the first FDA approval, have been working on their home laser product for over 5 years, and have huge corporate backing (Gillette).. yet Tria beat them to market?

Anyway it will be really interesting to see how Melissa's experience with the Tria fairs. $1200 was about the same cost as getting a large area (e.g. full legs) permanently professionally treated for me.

Have you thought about taking some pictures showing the difference? Please keep us posted!

(P.S. Even if that LD2K wasn't a gimmick, look at its spot size of 2 mm. That's 1/5th the size of the Tria and LightSheer.)

I feel like you're not really reading the answers. Once again, this gimmick machine is 120 times less powerful than GentleLASE AND dozens times less powerful than the Tria. The reason Tria is even being talked about is because it's the first home laser machine that even somewhat resembles the types of settings that professional machines do. However, even Tria's setings are still too low due to the high pulse. And this gimmick is much worse than the Tria due to the useless 1mm spot size.

The LD2K is the latest name given to a scam product that we have covered every month for 5 years here!

These scum prey on desperate people like you who send their money and pray they have found the thing that will "save them from paying professionals" only to find the thing doesn't work. Some people blame themselves, and go quietly into the night. Others complain to the company and either get silence, or an offer to exchange the faulty machine for one that works better. They tell the person that they are a newer company, and that this version of the machine is faulty for some R&D reason, and they have fixed the flaw, and are willing to trade you the useless machine for a new and improved machine for just $X dollars more, to help them out with the extra parts, and the shipping and handling. It is a deal they swear, as the new price for the new item will be thousands of dollars more, and they just want, maybe a few hundred dollars more out of you.

The new machine comes in the mail AFTER YOU HAVE RETURNED THE ONE YOU FIRST GOT FROM THEM and when you open it up, you find THE SAME MACHINE WITH A DIFFERENT MODEL NUMBER, but the same old parts, and the same non results.

One HairTell member played this game with them for months and even proved that they were sending him back the same machine, as he snuck and marked the one he returned in such a way that a.) they would not notice, but b.) if they added new parts to the thing, the marking would go away, or at least be disturbed.

When he got tired of playing the game, he got his money back via American Express. After that, the company stopped accepting American Express for payments.

As the Governator would say, "Hear us now and believe us later."

Cool.

What is this P and G thing you are talking about?
Can't find anything on google

Wich would be better, Rio or the Tria?

Btw the LD20k has 20mm not 2mm.
And is (atleast stated) to be stronger then the Tria.