hi does anyone know what this is?

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2001080816&DISPLAY=STATUS

there is a product called Vaniqa which works for what it claims to do (your link just points to the ingredient), but it is in no way permanent. it's something you apply twice a day and it makes you shave a bit less often because it slows the hair growth. it will get pretty expensive after a while.

on a personal note, i see you keep looking and looking for some type of a miracle treatment that we haven't noticed somehow. there isn't much you will find out there that we haven't discussed in the past several years. remember, this is what we do every day. if there was something amazing, we would all be using and talking about it. unfortunately, there is currently no miracle treatment. sorry.

what do you think of the product quest pharamatech are working on?

Keep your fingers crossed.

Dee

I wrote to them and they said there product is at least a year from being marketed.

This may be your lucky break, andre. Stay patient until you can try it out, but please share your experience with us,okay?

do you think this will get released earlier in asia, cause they said that KHM company have already registered this as a cosmetic in asia or something???

Yeah, I do. Why don't you e-mail the company, though.

Hello,

I already emailed them and received the below response last Friday:

Thank you very much for your interest in our hair removal product. Being a publicly traded Company, I restricted in disclosing many information unless accompanied by a news release. I will try to answer your question as much as possible.

1. Our fifty patient clinical trial results are not expected before September 2007.
2. Based on the mechanism of action of our product, we anticipate the product to be useful of all hair/skin types.
3. We are hoping this method to remove hair permanently; we need to get the clinical data to further confirm it.
4. In the current clinical trial we shave the hair before applying the gel.
5. The market launch date for this product for Canada and Asia will be determined upon completing the current clinical trial. Our strategic partner, Paramount Biosciences will soon be initiating development for US and Europe.
6. So far we have not noticed any side effects.
7. Prices are yet to be determined

Once again, I thank you for your interest and wish you all the best.

Regards,
Madi

Madi R. Madiyalakan, Ph.D
Chief Executive Officer
Quest PharmaTech Inc.
9407-20 Avenue
Edmonton, Alberta
T6N 1E5, Canada
Phone: 780 448 1400. Ext.204
Fax: 780 416 0324
e-mail: madi@questpharmatech.com
web: http://www.questpharmatech.com

These are forwarding looking statements. Words like "anticipate","hoping", "so far", "yet to be determined" are clues.

It would be wonderful "if" this product works "as intended".

I think it is impressive that you received a response. It is something surely to watch.

Dee

They seem like a respectable company but what are the chances of this product turning out to be scam products like kalo,hair no more etc???

There is a chance that it could be a scam. That's why websites like this exist to help people like you.

I think it is great that you have a questioning mind, but some questions can't be answered with accuracy or truth. We don't know about some of the brand new products, but, with that said, we rely on certain scientific principles related to methods that have shown proven permanent results. We can then make assumptions about other products or devices, as to whether they will work or won't work. The devil is in the details. Specifications or ingredients help us sort through a new product efficacy.

So you can choose to be wise or otherwise. Or you can be the first to dive in and try something new and keep a diary with us here at hairtell about your experience over a year or two.

Dee

Hi all,

I saw a product in the store today here in Belgium called 'bioxet', which is known as 'bioder' (www.bioder.com)I was looking around the net and found this forum.

This product sounds similar to the WIPO link that was mentioned earlier.

They seem to quote successful clinical trials. Seems interesting... wondering if I should try it.

Done more research and I have to say, it seems pretty suspicious. It's 'herbal' and has been around for quite a few years in Europe. Seems to me if it was effective it'd be widespread...

Most products like this one just produce an effect that changes your perception of the hair, not the hairs themselves. Most have an acidic action that makes sure that you go a longer time without FEELING the hairs, but they don't actually stop the hairs from growing, nor do they actually slow the hair's growth.

Question for all Please Help , I been doing some Looking & Found this Forum : ) & Some Interesting Stuff -> What About http://www.prskincare.com/Kalo-Hair-Inhibitor-Spray & DermaNude Advanced Hair Retardant Spray-> http://www.folica.com/DermaNude_Advan_d27.html and Such Products
anyone have any luck W anything like this ????

Kalo: keeps unwanted hair from growing back. LIE.

Dermanude: Of course, no advertisement would be complete without describing electrolysis as painful and expensive. And LASER isn't!!!! Their claims will have to be evaluated by you.

I personally would not waste my money on these products, but I'm secretly wishing that you waste yours. Then, I'm hoping you come back to hairtell and truthfully report your outcome.

Beware of 'too good to be true' claims. Temporary methods are for those that are not willing to bare the committment it takes to permanetly remove hair via electrolysis or laser hair reduction. It takes a special personality or mindset to get true permanent hair removal. However, it may take a tougher personality to chase your tail with temporary means only to be back where you started after many years of use, now that I think of it.

Dee

Hi,

I am new to this forum but I have occassionally read the topics.
I can with all assurance tell you within the next year to year and a half excessive hair will be a thing of the past. PERMANENTLY. When I mean permanently I mean gone for good!

Quest pharmatech are not the only one working on this sort of technology and the answer to the long awaited problem is in that realm. Why do I have this assurance? due the fact through all of the things I have tried in all the years I have a test patch with barely any hair regrowth from this new innovation on my chest after one removal and it has been 3 months.

What a tease. Are you a clinical trial subject or is that a secret, too?

I am kind of a trial user I guess. This man near where I live is offering a product similar to what this Pharmatech has. Except he is using it in a salon. I had a test patch with laser and then one patch with his product and laser and it blew laser out of the water. Once all the tests are done for safety he stated he will be working out of the salon with his product.

Okay. Thanks for responding. This sounds so very wonderful. Is all this taking place in the United States?

I checked out Quest Pharmatech product. this is a promising method. basically, if I understand it correctly, this is a topical drug that enters hair folicals and acts as a dye at the laser wavelength, allowing the laser to kill all the folicles.

does this mean it could kill blonde hairs too? Could you explain what it means to "act as a dye at the laser wavelenght"? So would it only be helpful in conjunction with laser?

Well not much information is available. All I could find was in summaries for the clinical trials. Basically this is one of about three companies that are working an a method like this. And yes, thi goal is that it will work in blond hair.

what laser was used both times? were this done on the same areas? what settings? were settings the same? what exact difference did you see? what happened in these 3 months on each patch?

I think so. They claim that they have "evidence to indicate that photodynamic therapy using SL017 [code name of the topical formula] could be a potential simple and rapid method for permanent hair removal...Use of SL017 with a light based hair removal device is likely to overcome some of the limitations (low efficacy on blond, red or white hair) associated with light treatment alone."

They also claim that it "can work with both laser and broad spectrum light," perhaps only "a single treatment" is needed, and it can treat all hairs and hair/skin combinations. http://www.questpharmatech.com/sl017.htm

Seems too good to be true, and so did laser at one point, and well laser has proven to be counteractive in my case.

I believe I read somewhere the trials were done using an IPL device. However the specific device was not given in anything I read.

Dear LA girl, both test areas were done on my beard area. (Male very coarse dark black beard. It has now been close to 5 months and yet still no hair growth on the area treated with the product and laser. However the other just laser treated area is now fully grown back to its normal growth. It has been like that for 4 mths now I'd say. As for settings and what not I do not have a clue. I will try and contact the inventor but he seems to be busy as I have emailed him a few times already with no reply.

Sorry for taking so long to reply . I apologize for the mix up but I have been tested several different methods from this inventor and have had various lasers/IPL's and settings for each. I will detail all so it is better understood. I so far have had tests done on my legs, arms. chest and face. The chest spot I told you about was used with the lightsheer at 20 joules. it was tested Dec 27th/2007. It has been 6 mths and Id say 70 percent of the hair has come back.

My legs were tested with a new formula and it did not work well at all. He claimed that the new ingredients he figured would help it were too much and offset the old ones. Also it was used with an IPL and lightsheer and no difference using either. He claims it does not matter what is used as long as the heat is enough to activate the formula.

The best results I have came from the one he claims shouldn't be the best formula but apparently is. It is much safer and great for your skin as well. He did a test patch on my beard Dec. 14th 2007. In early March with no regrowth he then did another on my face and on my arms with this particular formula. It has now been close to 7 months and I have only maybe 2 or 3 hairs that came back and the other two test patches on my face and arms have yet to come back so that is going on 3 months.

I also had it tested on other areas with hair still in the follicle and his formula applied. It worked much better then just laser alone. The best part with this if it comes to the market is that it is practicially pain free due to the fact the hair is removed firstly then his formula applied then the laser light. I hoep this sheds light on my experience.

Hair grows in several cycles. So the hair hasn't "come back". You're seeing hair from the other phases of growth, which is normal. The fact that 30% is gone shows that that treatment was effective.

true but opposed to his one formula where only I'd say 2-5 percent came back is much better then 70 lol