Hah! Proof positive that "Hair makes us Grumpy!" Once my follicles are empty, I will be mellow....

Wow. What a discussion. Cinnamon, as mentioned, moderators and top contributors here are volunteers. They're not paid. We offer answers to endless questions at the expense of our time, for free. You're welcome.

In terms of your original question:

- Plucking eyebrows is fine. Plucking other areas of the face etc can cause ingrowns and make the hair become more coarse as it builds up resistance. Waxing is same as it does the same thing, i.e. removes hair with the root. Hair doesn't get worse for everyone and not on all areas, but it's common on a woman's face.
- Shaving and depilatories don't do anything to the structure of the hair. They don't affect the root and cannot make the hair grow any different. You can do both of those without issues.
- Electrolysis is a permanent method, so it differs from everything else in that you don't have to do it all your life. Many electrologists take credit cards, so yes, it's an option to finance it. For the upper lip, the total cost is usually $300-500 over the coarse of 12 months or so. It won't break the bank regardless.

Well I'm a bit surprised by the reaction and I never called James EVIL, but this really sounds like a childish way to get people to feel sorry for him, whatever works for ya James!?!

This forum is a place where you can ask questions and I didn't think it was a reference desk and if so, then why have any of you answer questions in the first place this really defeats the purpose of a area on this site that's especially meant for questions. I mean if your going to send people to other areas on the site then the site should just offer that and having an area where you can place your questions no matter how dumb or silly or long they maybe should really be answered a little more informative then just a reference, it would be deeply appreciated that's for sure. And if James is so busy then he can just skip me and maybe someone else who doesn't mind answering could be of assistance. And if they can't take too much of their time then they could answer some and some else could help with the rest. But to make someone feel discriminated against is so not cool!! And especially by saying to me as if I am some kind of problem person here that I have done this before is really not nice at all.

And I never thought anyone OWES ME ANYTHING!! You have no right to say that because that's not what I was saying in the first place!! I did nothing to you and all I asked is that James not waste his time on me and by answering my questions. Why, because if you really want to know, I get this feeling he's an arrogate person and I really don't like the way he answers my questions and for all this, I just asked him not to respond. But I am truly sorry if I offended you all by stating how I feel.

Plus I'm really offended by the fact that you have to state that you don't work here, some people might just say, like I care. I mean if this site is here to help and the people who own it saw this I would be pretty upset if this was my site. Your helping out and that's great and really nice but you don't have to state it as if you are doing me a favor or by patting yourself on the back, that's just not right. I mean people who want to help people out by the kindness of their heart for sure wouldn't rub in your face!! It's kind of like someone borrowing you money and then letting you know every minute that you owe them you think that's NICE, I think NOT!! It sounds like you need to hear praise for what your doing and in return is that really helping!! Plus not to mention, I expressed that I was very thankful for the help that was given to me in the past and I think that's enough, I mean what do you want the posters to do send you a CANDY GRAM !! I think the ones who took the time to answer my questions and not reference me were GREAT and very KIND and helpful as well!!

This is not a rant by any means, I have a right to state something if I feel it was not handled right and to me JAMES is not EVIL but stubborn on the way he answers his questions and it SHOWS to my anyways and don't I count as someone important, just as important as JAMES, I think so!! I feel it's very discriminating and if I owned the site I wouldn't like it if any of my viewers were unhappy.

Thank you so much for your time and listening!! All the best to you on your journeys and hardwork!!


Cinnamon

FYI: www.hairfacts.com that he pointed you to is a part of this site. The forum is supposed to help answer questions after you have read the basics on that original site that outlines it all. He wasn't sending you to some random website. That site is there to help you. He pointed you to it in case you didn't know about it because it provides all the answers you asked for.

Also, if all of us weren't responding to people's questions like we do, this website wouldn't exist. Back in the day, questions went unanswered for days. So the owner of the website, Andrea, who made James the moderator btw, realizes the benefit of the people who keep it running, i.e. everyone who answered your question here.

Sometimes Cinnamon it's not what you say, but the way you say it.

After reading all these posts and so forth I looked back at the original post of what James said and I can't say what was wrong with it, genuinley. Instead of repeating what is already written he simply gave you a link to read up on.

I can remember Iv'e asked questions about electrolysis that have already been answered and James came across quite sharp (and posting a link for someone to read in my opinion is not sharp). But instead of taking it the worst way possible I thought of it from James's and all the other regular posters point of view. I apologised for annoying James and he then posted something of the lines of 'you don't need to apologise, we'd rather you have the right information. Just don't be offended if someone shoots you a link to a previous thread'. No one got offended and I logged off this site, not feeling like it's inhabitted with nasty forum trolls, but that they are genuinley nice people and 'yeah they do care about consumers'.

And seeing as you have decided to comment on someones personality, originally based on a one line post over the Internet, I don't see why we can't do the same. You appear to want something for nothing and expect the world to get on their knees and cater for your wants. Wake up and smell the coffee pumpkin, the world doesn't work that way.

If you don't like this site, go to another and, yes, this may sound immature, but a times like these it would be amusing if Kitty's consumer beware sites were still running. The reason being is because your type has a habbit of running to anywhere that will pander to you and suck up the information they give to you, which is usually just a load of quackery and ends up wasting your time and money. Sounds harsh, but hey we all have those little day dreams eh?
Although unfortunatley this type of behaviour breeds more quackery claims, it spreads more and people like James, Andrea, lagirl, Dee and so on have to fight even harder to supress the false information and ruhmors so that the average consumer, who is normally grateful for any free help, especially the unbiased, truthful and fair stuff, can make an informed decision.
You've been incredibly rude, obnoxious and a whole host of other things towards the posters of this website who have given literally hundreds of hours of their time to help consumers out, which is amongst one of the reason why I have a lot of respect for everyone who helps out on this forum.

Why vent so much? Because I get the distinct feeling you are the exact type of people I have to deal with in work all the time. People who talk to others as if they personally owe them something and then be completley awful to anyone who doesn't seem to have the same ideas as them - usually that everyone else is second to them. Oh, and don't even consider accusing me of trying to suck up to anyone, this is just my simple opinion.

As a general conclusion, get over it. James shot you a link, if you think that's something terrible, you really need to revaulate your perspective on life.

Benji

Side note: Sorry if this isn't appropiate (especially as I haven't been involved on this thread yet) or if this breaks the rules of the forum, but I really, really dislike people who behave like this.

Benji boy, you are too kind. It's what she says AND how she says it.

The word "discriminating" tells me a lot. A whole lot.

Cinnamon. Shut up. Grow up. Act your age. The end.

Let me just say a few words here.

The reason that I, and many other posters here sometimes come off as snappy, or curt with certain questions is that they exhibit both abject lazyness on the part of the poster, and in some cases self-entitlement mentality on top of that.

If one has found the site online, and found out enough to learn that one must register in order to post, and then figured out how to register, then one has also looked at pages that show our search feature, and index page. The index page shows a rather LONG list of forum titles and topic areas.

Cinnamon found the Tweezing and Plucking forum and correctly posted her question in that forum, so she did actually see that we have one. The problem is, this also proved that she was one lazy step away from finding more than the answers to her questions. She would have found the answers to questions she did not know to ask had she just started reading the previous posts in the 7 pages of threads listed in this very section.

It is kind of like the person who waits in line at the donut shop and when one gets to the front of the line requests the cashier state a list of the available donuts that day. Hmmm, well, you could have been looking at the donut case during the time you were standing in line. Now you are holding up the line by asking that question.

Do we repeat ourselves over and over on this site? Sure we do! But frequently, people ask questions that require a particular approach to show why what they think is a new question only lead back to an old answer, or it is just easier to give a restating of a simple fact rather than spend the time finding a link to the previously posted question and answer.

Ask me what the best course of action for an African American female body builder living in the Virgin Islands with a bad plucking obession and a pigment problem, and it is just easier to type a long post dealing with all the separate things that problem deals with, instead of finding and pasting 12 links to past posts.

Ask me "Does electrolysis really work?" and you really can't expect me to rewrite an electrolysis text book here.

Are we here to help? Yes we are. Do we expect you to practice your own due dilligence? YES! We expect people to TRY to find the answers to their questions before posting a new post.

At this point in the game, there is almost no question that has not already been asked and answered here in the past 5 years. We understand that finding the one you need is not so easy at times, but some questions are as easy as typing one word in the search box and hitting the "Enter" key. (one of my favorites is the thread you get when you do a search on the word "Superman" )

If I personally come off gruff and snappy sometimes, I apologize. Of course, I hope you all realize that it often feels the same as when your kid says, "MOM! Have you seen me Tuxedo?" When you know he really means, "I have not even gone into my room and opened my closet door. Will you go get my tuxedo and bring it down stairs to me while I play my Wii, or Xbox game?"