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#51726 - 05/07/08 05:04 AM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: VickieCNY]
James W. Walker VII, CPE Moderator Offline

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All I got to say is that I don't know too many people who know what a S-T VMC is who would not have reacted like the annual Filine's Basement Sale Brides upon hearing a VMC for $500.00

Even broken it would be a good buy, as the cost to fix it could not surpass $500.00
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#51729 - 05/07/08 11:10 AM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: VickieCNY]
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...or maybe he never even had the machine at all! You never know with people selling stuff on places like Craig's List. I have tried to find a used Apilus or Silhouet-tone for several months and it seems really difficult (depending on the price, of course).

I may buy one new and finance some classes at the same time. To those of you that are professional electrologists, how many hours of practical training do you feel are really needed to get a person started? I am looking at one program that is 80 hours plus the classroom work. After that, I plan to work on myself to perfect my skills before working on someone else. I live in a state that doesn't require any licensing.

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#51744 - 05/07/08 08:28 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: DLY303]
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I'd like to hope someone just got there first, and it wasn't a scam. I'd post the link to the info openly but just in case it was all on the up and up I won't. The price quoted was in private, very possible he was offered much more by someone else, I couldn't have offered what it was really worth anyway, I just don't have that much money to spare. Being just a DIYer, $2500 would buy a good amount of pro electro. Heck, I'd even been happy to land that sweet magnifying lamp he had. Ah, well, win some lose some. smirk

The pros can correct me if I am wrong, the info I found was confusing, but it seems like you need to complete a 320 hour program to qualify for CPE certification. Oddly, the Berkowits school has a 120 hour program (in unregulated NY state), but wouldn't anyone who invests in schooling want to qualify for CPE certification? confused
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#51750 - 05/07/08 09:03 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: VickieCNY]
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Yes, it would be nice to have CPE behind one's name. In order to get this, you have to go to an AEA convention and take the test. I think the test costs a couple hundred of dollars.

If you live in a licensed state like Ohio, electrologists have completed 600 hours in the classroom and clinic combined, taken a wriiten and practical exam over two days through the state medical board. The requirements are now up to over 700 hours in Ohio and electrolysis is earned in a two year associates degree program in the college of nursing and health. Twenty-five hours of continuing education is required every two years to keep one's license active. With these requirements, some of us are qualified and happy to keep running our businesses with the initials that we earned through our home state licensing board.

Continuing education is important and whether you have a CPE or other initials doesn't guarantee that you can remove hairs with expertise, but those initials and pretty certificates on the wall do impress the consumer.
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#51777 - 05/08/08 08:18 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: dfahey]
James W. Walker VII, CPE Moderator Offline

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The CPE exam costs $325 for non-AEA members, and $275 for members. Of course, membership costs between $140 - $350, depending on where you live and when you join. Keep in mind the expense of going to what ever city the CPE Exam is being given, and while you are there, you may as well get those CEU's (and I don't mean "certified educational upgrade" either wink sorry, hairtell inside joke) by attending the actual AEA convention at a cost of another $275 to $350. Don't forget to figure in the cost of travel and the hotel stay, and meals and incidentals of course. Basically, most people pay about $1,000 or more around taking the CPE test alone, and then one must decide if one is to repeat that expense on a yearly basis, or retest once every 5 years instead. This doesn't count what they paid for their training.

Speaking of training, the requirements for taking the exam state:

the registration form
MUST be accompanied with the following documentation:
A. If applicant practices in a licensed state
1. a photocopy of state electrology license
B. If applicant resides in an unlicensed state
1. a photocopy of certificate of completion
from a SCHOOL OF ELECTROLOGY with
date of graduation and number of hours
completed (320 minimum required). You
must have graduated from school prior to
registration. PROMETRIC must receive copies
of certificates no later than the registration
deadline.

****OR 2. a NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT from an instructor,
who is a CPE, indicating number of hours
completed (320 minimum required), date completed,
and proof that trained electrologist has
been in practice for at least one (1) year following
completion of hours (i.e. notarized statement
from employer, photocopy of advertising dated
one year previous to completing registration
form, etc.)
AND proof of residency such as photocopy of
driver’s license.
An eligible electrologist is defined as one who
has met all necessary requirements in the state
in which he/she resides/practices, or in the case
of not having an established practice, the state
in which legal residence is maintained.

So, although the training time needed to take the CPE is 320 regardless of how one gets that training, if one's state did not require that, and one was not planning on taking that test, one might not go for that much school time.

Keep in mind, schools are almost never around the corner, and usually require one to travel and set up living in another city, if not another state. Add to that many schools bigotry against training men (leading to the closest school, not being the closest school you may actually be allowed to attend), and you find a real hardship for would be electrolysis students looking for training.

In the end, the difference between a good electrolysis provider and a not so good one will be that person's desire to learn, and willingness to practice. No amount of arbitrary hours can assure that. (especially when many of those hours are spent on things that have only tangental relevance to the actual work an electrologist performs.)
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#51780 - 05/08/08 09:01 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: James W. Walker VII, CPE]
VickieCNY Online
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James, that makes sense now. I am a bit embarrassed blush

I used to live in a city that had an electrology school just a mile away from where I lived. I went past it often, and wondered... I went to a big fancy college in the same city, but I think I ended up going to the wrong school! frown The electrology school was bought out and closed a few years after I graduated. Oh, the irony. If I only knew then and seen the opportunity...

If schooling and CPE certification sounds expensive, for me it is a bargain compared to what I paid for that fancy, now unusable degree sick But as someone said earlier, it sure looks impressive hanging on the wall smile

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#51786 - 05/09/08 01:49 AM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: VickieCNY]
Arlene R. Batz, CPE Offline

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Loc: New York City - Queens
Vickie, if you are in NY and want to become an electrologist, email me and I will help you.

electrolysis@juno.com
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#51790 - 05/09/08 05:56 AM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: Arlene R. Batz, CPE]
James W. Walker VII, CPE Moderator Offline

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Ah yes, Vickie. At a class reunion, my former roommate spit out, "Leave it to Walker to find a way to make what I make without going through what I went through to make it!"

Let's just say our return on educational investment dollars looks a lot different.
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#51841 - 05/10/08 01:05 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: VickieCNY]
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Registered: 05/09/08
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Do you think selling a machine on ebay is the way to go? I have an Apilus Senior II that I am considering selling along with various other supplies and am not really sure where to list it. Does anyone have a recommendation for where to list it... also, I went to school in NJ for electrolysis, at a county college. The program was great but the only complaint I had was in order to become school certified through the program was to complete other classes i.e. biology, english, microbiology which I still don't understand.So if you can find a program in a county college it would be worthwhie but expect to take more classes than just Electrolysis.

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#51856 - 05/10/08 04:52 PM Re: First DIY Machine [Re: TLHS]
James W. Walker VII, CPE Moderator Offline

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Keep in mind that the whole point of increasing the hourly requirements is to make one take classes in more than just electrolysis. Just ask all the Ohio Electrolysis students how they enjoyed their REQUIRED Massage Therapy Classes.

As for listing your machine, Ebay, Ioffer.com and the AEA Classifieds are good places to list... Oh, and of course, right here on HairTell.com If you have a price that you are comfortable with quoting, you can just post here what you want and allow people to PM you via this site to set up a potential deal. After all, the Apilus Senior II is a wonderful machine that many professionals would be good to upgrade to, and would be the envy of many a Home User.
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