GentleLASE has a stable very low pulse duration of 3ms. On Apogee, pulse ranges from 5ms to 100ms or so. So without knowing the pulse, it's still hard to say whether those are high settings. They're probably average. If it's close to 5ms, the setting was in fact pretty high. If it's closer to 100ms, it wasn't. On 15mm, GentleLASE max is 30J, but once again that's with 3ms. If pulse is higher, the overall power is lower.

It sounds like you don't trust laser to do a good job of evening out the reduction at this point. What you can do is use a Yag laser which targets mostly the very coarse hair. So that may achieve what you're looking for. Otherwise, with electrolysis, you can pick and choose specific hairs you want removed.

Do you have before pictures? If so, I think you would see that it's not as patchy as you think. Even taking into consideration the longer facial stubble and the wavy uncombed arm hair, it still looks normal to me. Men (and women) who have never had any type of removal done have the same unevenness to their hair. Around the wrists, watches, gloves and sleeves tend to abrade the hair away.

You still have a lot of hair. After viewing your pictures, it looks like you still need a lot of laser treatments. Electrolysis can bring you to a happy ending, but it would take hundreds and hundreds of hours for your arms, neck, face alone and lots of money and time. Even with the fastest most deadilest electrologist on earth, you would be putting in a lot of hours up front. I would concentrate on my face and neck if I were you, as shaving must be the most difficult part of your day. Since your stated you don't want laser on your face, if you choose to look into electrolysis, I strongly urge you to find the best in regard to skill and equipment factors. This would be vital for your success in a time frame you could live with. It still will not be easy, but there is no easy way down for a situation like yours, but the goods news is, there is a way down.

No, I don't have before pictures as detailed as these ones, so no comparison can be done.

I know it will sound emotionally shadowed, but before, I know my hair wasn't a bit patchy as it is now. Yes, memories can be disrupted, and we can make up new memories, however this time it is not, they are genuine. Before LHR I was so concerned with my hair (I am still concerned by the way), so I observed other people's hair patterns, I know how they are, and I still clearly do remember my hair pattern. So, I can tell you bad practitioners gave me a patchy embarrassment.

Thanks Dee,

I am a pretty patient person. I've put considerable effort into reducing my hair till now, I can do more. But, the thing pisses me off is that in some occasions I opt to stay clear of social activities because I am constantly going through treatments, and during the treatments the hair and the skin really looks odd.

I can say overall, I've succeeded to reduce the amount of hair for way more than %50. This is close to my expectations before all these started. So, I am not so much bothered with the amount of hair now I have. I may just do a couple of more passes for inner and back facing sides of my arms, and continue with my shoulders and back. What I am not happy with is, it does not look like natural growth now. A couple of people, after seeing my arms, mentioned what I did my with hair; if I randomly clipped it wıth scissors or attempted to shave it. So, in conclusion, I am fine with the amount, but in the same time desperately looking for ways to arrange it.

I understand. There are many here that will be glad to offer you what ever support and advice you ask for. Permanent hair removal is tough and it is only for the tough-minded to pursue. I'm glad to hear you have patience.

Just reading through your posts vklepil, why are you afraid to do laser on your face?
i am considering i thought from peoples opinion in here it should be okay as long as overlapping is done well. if there was patchy regrowth couldnt you just keep lasering missed patches, with touch ups?

I assume you want to get rid of your facial hair completely. I just want a uniform reduction. However each time I go for LHR, patchiness gets worse, then I go for touch-ups, but touch-ups have its downsides too. I don't want to stuck with a condition non-recoverable. Just think of pretty bald patch in the middle of your mustache reminding a person with ringworm.

Getting a complete removal on a male face is not possible if you're a healthy male and not on hormonal drugs (like TG folks). You can get a good reduction, but a very good reduction will take many treatments (over 10-15) on this area because there is so much hair and it's so dense.

Treating various missed patches is what adds to the patchy effect. That's why it's important to have someone who knows what they're doing perform this and overlap from the beginning.

The patchy result is a REAL concern and is NOT just from "sloppy" technique. I have had multiple treatments from a real laser applied with overlap by a major laser facility. I have had treatments at the maximum power settings and still have some regions of my beard that will not shed. Thus, I have some patches of course dark hair on my face that will not respond to many treatments and "touch ups" for which these hairs are specifically targeted.

I have received several explainations, but the bottom line is that some dark hair on white male faces can fail to ever be reduced by laser. Thus, electrolysis is the only solution to produce even distribution of hair patterns for such a situation. And even then, it takes time!


LOL, I know $70/hour can buy almost anything, but I have yet to get that kind of service!