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#55938 - 09/17/08 01:44 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: James W. Walker VII]
LAgirl Offline

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Do you have a list of all the electrologists in your area with the type of machine, type of electrolysis, and number of years of experience? I would make a comprehensive list, call first to get these three bits of info on each, and narrow down to the one with the best equipment and most experience first to check out before going to others. That's what I did when I first started and ended up going to three who all had an Apilus machine and used both blend and microflash.

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#55984 - 09/18/08 04:46 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: LAgirl]
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Good idea lagirl. Welcome back!

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#55989 - 09/18/08 11:43 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: caligirl]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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CaliGirl only fell short of passing LAgirl by 5025 posts while LAgirl had left the building.

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#56018 - 09/18/08 07:59 PM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: caligirl]
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I'm going to put my two cents in.. My family has been in the electrolysis industry for over 45 years. My mother had a school and we manufactured electrolysis epilators and supplies. The difference between thermolysis and electrolysis is the types of current used. Thermolysis is a RF(radio frequency) current while electrolysis is a DC(direct current). RF uses heat to basically kill the hair at the base. The higher the current the shorter the time needed for the application(i.e. flash) Micro (a millionth of a second) or pico(i think 1 trillonth of a second) is pretty fast.. Our epilator (the compuderm) could go as fast as 1 Thousandth of a second. Following my statement above, you would need alot of power to do the heat damage needed to kill the hair using micro or pico times. My opinion Micro and Pico flash are buzz words.. not exactly acurate. When I was activly in the business we just called it super flash(I think I like that better anyway) Our epilator had the fastest timing out there at the time. Electrolysis uses dc current when applied to the follicle produces lye, an acid that kills the hair chemically. more time is needed to do electrolysis because of the time needed to produce the lye.. hence multiple needle galvanic(dc) epilators. While the lye is being produced in the follicle at needle 1. they are inserting needle 2 then 3 then 4 and so on finally returning to number one to reposition the needle and remove the hair. The "Blend" is a combination of the two.... logically think about the ways the current works on killing the hair follicle.. If the electrologist moves to fast.. no lye can be produced... your doing thermolysis... if the current on the rf isn't high enough but the dc is high for a longer time... your doing galvanic... it's all a mix on how the epilator is set up.The blend is supposed to be the use of rf to kill the hair, and the galvanic to make enough lye to make sure the the follicle can't regrow a hair.. again how the eplitor is set up makes all the difference. You have to trust who is working on you. Both modalities have there own pro's and con's. Thermolysis too high and/or too long can give you a heat burn, which can scar you if enough, galvanic too long can give you a chemical burn, again can scar you. Also remember that dc current follows the SHORTEST path to ground so you would want the probe as close to the worksight as possible and try and keep it out of your left hand better safe than sorry past the heart) In your last post you stated she did 340 hairs per hour that just under six per minute... its blend or galvanic. it if is straight thermolysis and having a very experienced thermologist... you could probably cout onbetween 15 to 60 hairs per minute. One more thing... all needles(probe) can or can't be disposable.. depends on who's using them.. if the electrologist doesn't supply you with a new needle every time.. then ask them for a new one(even if you have to pay them a buck or two and TAKE IT HOME WITH YOU.. that way they can't use it on someone else. Occasionally a drop of blood will show up if they nick the follicle wall.. the should be rare, and if the hair comes out on the needle with thermolysis congratualtions.. they did it perfect..and remember the regroth cycle of a hair that has been tweezed is 8-13 weeks. sorry for the long reply and I appoligize in advance if I ruffle any feathers

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#56033 - 09/19/08 01:56 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: demarzob]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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We like long posts here.
Especially when they are on point, and have something to say.

As for feathers ruffled.
We seem to do a lot of that here at HairTell.

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#56036 - 09/19/08 04:16 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Just please break it up in several paragraphs next time!

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#56037 - 09/19/08 11:55 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: LAgirl]
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A great suggestion, lagirl. I'm going blind trying to read un-paragraphed (made up word) posts. Long posts are great because they create opportunity for me to stand up and do sets of arm exercises with my weights as I read them. So, keep them coming as it forces me to exercise a bit more.

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#56063 - 09/20/08 06:14 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: demarzob]
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Thanks demarzob for taking the time to post.

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#56065 - 09/20/08 08:06 AM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: caligirl]
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I was looking at electrology schools a while back and I wondered what happened to your mother's school. I was unable to find any information about it. My local electrologist is a proud graduate and recommended it highly.
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#56070 - 09/20/08 10:56 PM Re: My progress so far. Confused with questions. [Re: VickieCNY]
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HI demarzob,

Wow that was an amazing post. I start electrolysis school this thursday and you answered some of the questions I had for the instructor. I am glad you piped in with all that information.

Willie

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