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#56603 - 10/10/08 06:04 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: James W. Walker VII, CPE]
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I think breast hair is very simple to do. I have never had anyone take longer than a year for this area, In fact, all is well by month nine as a rule. Both sides are cleared in one appointment of less than an hour and subsequent appointments are usually shorter, save for 2-3 times where a big growth cycle kicks in during the first six mpnths. I use a mixture of Blend and thermolysis with the largest probe possible.
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#56606 - 10/10/08 08:55 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: dfahey]
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Does this count for the dark vellus hairs? Cause I have a TON of them around my breasts. They're not noticable to the naked eye, but I can clearly see them and they're still annoying

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#56613 - 10/11/08 07:35 AM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: Jaganess]
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Any hair color or hair structure "counts" when electrolysis is used. With your situation Jag, what counts the most is if the electrologist has the vision tools to help her/him see the small hairs that YOU want treated. So, we are back to the point we stress here ad nauseum and that is, practitioner skill is all important, however, practitioner skill dramaticaly increases when she can actualy SEE the target in order to make perfect insertions to permanently affect hair. It's all one big circle that leads to success.
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#56622 - 10/11/08 11:11 AM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: dfahey]
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Thinner weaker hair is even easier to kill. However, you may notice as I did that after you've removed all the relatively coarse hair, the vellus hair looks very natural, especially if you get a little tanned.

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#56793 - 10/17/08 10:07 AM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: Atsui]
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I almost forgot about my own thread.............


I am Type V black female.

My scarring/ingrown/peppershot finally went away and now I am left with hyperpigmentation spots. I really like this electrologist but my skin look horrendous after a session with her. It takes over 1 week for ths redness and swelling to go away. And this is with using which hazel, pure aloe vera, and tea tree oil! After the week I get these peppershot looking things and it takes weeks of tend skin, exfoliating, etc for them to unlodge. After that I left with black marks all over my neck.

So I finally tried out another electrologist yesterday. She used short wave(which I believe is the same as thermolysis?). She said she doesn't use blend b/c its more prone for scarring. She treated my neck and it was a much less painful experience than the first electrologist. And afterward my skin was just a tad bit red, very little swelling. The following morning you hardly tell I had anything done.

So my skin reacted great BUT I now worried that maybe it was not an effective treatment. I don't know any details on settings, probe size, etc...

So do I stick with the first lady and deal with the super long healing time very noticable hyperpigmentation(which can fade over the course of a year) and stick with second lady which may not be effective at all???



Edited by Atsui (10/17/08 10:22 AM)

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#56798 - 10/17/08 11:31 AM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: Atsui]
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Sounds like the second person you tried is more skilled. What you're experiencing is normal. You shouldn't have many side effects. If you're not feeling the hair being plucked and they slide out without much resistance after being zapped, then your treatments are good. Plus, thermolysis is faster and usually less painful.

It sounds like with your other treatments hairs were getting broken off on their way out, causing ingrowns and what you describe as "pepperspots". That's a matter of skill.

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#56859 - 10/20/08 03:20 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: lagirl]
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Thanks for the input lagirl.


So.....
Its been 4 days since that electrolysis treatment. Yesterday morning I work up with a whitehead on my chin...last night it swelled up 3x the of my chin and is soooo painful. The circumference of the swelling is about the size of a nickel. It hurts to talk, to move, it hurts when my pillow or cover touches it when I sleep..

I continue to use the tea tree oil and the white head has gone away but its now one huge red painful swollen throbbing bump. I NEVER knew a whitehead could hurt this much. Help!!

What did I do wrong? What can I do to speed up the healing process?

Is this going to happen everytime I go to this electrologist? I'd almost rather see my first electrologist. The treatment area may look horrible but at least its not this painful.

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#56861 - 10/20/08 03:32 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: Atsui]
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It sounds like one spot got infected during healing. Are you using any moisturizers, lotions, facewashes, sunscreens, etc on the area at all? I would only use witch hazel during the day and would avoid all of the potentially harsh things with chemicals mentioned above. Are you using tea tree oil only at night? Do you tend to touch the area with your fingers during the day or while applying any of the above? That could get infection started.

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#56863 - 10/20/08 03:45 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: Atsui]
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If the area is inflammed as you describe, then something is missing on the hygiene side of things. Did she wash her hands and use gloves? sterile probe? did you observe her opening a new probe package? sterile tweezers? antiseptic used before and after? Did you touch the area after treatment with unwashed hands? did the dog lick your chin?

So many things could be at the core of this, but basic hygiene is usually the first thing I look at seriously.

Use warm compresses to the area and continue with the witch hazel and tea tree oil. THINK about how you handle these aftercare products. Wash your hands before applying. If a germy little kid at hime touches the bottles, clean them off. Stay alert to what the electrologist is doing as she touches you. Something went wrong here with the hygiene. It is not the fault of electrolysis.

THIS IS NOT WHAT AN ELECTROLYSIS HEALING OUTCOME IS LIKE BY NO MEANS. REPORT THIS AND WATCH WHAT SHE DOES AND THEN, THEREAFTER, BE MINDFUL OF WHAT YOU DO AFTER YOU LEAVE THE OFFICE. EITHER ONE OF YOU COULD HAVE INTRODUCED BACTERIA INTO A FRESHLY TREATED AREA. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. Apply this cute saying to electrolysis and all should go well thereafter.

If she is overtreating your skin, then this could be a problem, too. Please talk to her.

Dee

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#56870 - 10/20/08 05:02 PM Re: How many 'zaps'/inserts per follicle? [Re: dfahey]
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Yes, its extremely inflamed and now is getting hard to the touch.

I do not recall seeing her wash her hands or if she used gloves.
The proble was new and she actually gave it to me in a container to use at my next treatment. Not sure about the tweezer either.

BUT I guess I am ultimetly to blame. I did touch the area after treatment without washing my hands. I did this many times before with the other electrologist and this never happened so I got careless. Lesson learned.

I will use a warm compress and continue with the aftercare. Thanks for the tip about handling the products too.

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