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#56706 - 10/14/08 07:21 AM Spray with PDT
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Hello all,

I was here a few months ago telling you all about my experience with a local man who was testing his product out on me and many others that is similiar to what this board is all about.

It has been almost a year now (Dec 2007) where a test patch was done on my beard. It was done one time and still only a few hairs have come back. My beard is extremely coarse so the fact that one session has caused I would say a 90 percent reduction is phenomenal. My chest is also still bare basicially in the area he used his product. I had lost touch with him but recently heard he was testing out of a new salon. Turns out many people have now tried his product and the results are pointing to the end of excessive hair. I spoke with the woman who works in the salon and she stated they have had over 50 people at least try the product all with remarkable results.

She also claimed that he is in talks with several companies/pharmaceuticals to get this product to the masses. Either way you cut it, this technology seems to be the future or even the end of excessive hair.

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#56707 - 10/14/08 07:51 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Umm Hello!!!

Call the salon and get his contact info! You only have like 100 million people that would be interested. Get on that bro smile

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#56710 - 10/14/08 11:32 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: mike856nj]
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Do I understand you correctly?
You say someone sprayed something on your skin one time, and that one application has ended all hair growth in the designated area?
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#56712 - 10/14/08 03:19 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Also, will you tell us what "PDT" stands for?
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#56713 - 10/14/08 04:14 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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PDT as in photo-dynamic therapy? Is he a physician?

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#56714 - 10/14/08 05:31 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: Choice]
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Hi guys,

Believe me I am dying to get in contact with him. Anytime I sent him an email it came right back. I inquired about him at the previous salon where I was treated and was told he had re-located to a place closer to where he lived. So I went there and heard he is out of the province for a bit but will be back soon.

James,

This is exactly what I am saying. He had tested many different versions on me. A couple were only good in reducing the hair and delayin growth for a few months. However I remember him telling me that the formula he made that he thought was inferior to the others turned out to be the best. That particular product is the one that has left me with a 5'' by 5'' spot on my chest where only a few hairs have come back. But what gets the laser techs the most is that they say for a young male beard it is extremely hard to get great results even with laser. Yet one time on my face, with December nearing will mark a year since I had the test done.

The woman at the new salon he is at says they have been using his product on people with fine hair all the way to extremely coarse and that people are all wanting it.

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#56715 - 10/14/08 05:46 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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It sounds promising. Can you post pictures of yours illustrating your case?

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#56716 - 10/14/08 06:27 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: vklepil]
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I would love to share my before and after pic if someone could advise me on how to post the pic?

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#56717 - 10/14/08 07:01 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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There seems to be some problem when directly uploading pictures to this site. But, there are other ways. There are many sites acting as storage for image files. Once you upload an picture to one of those sites, then they give you the URL (address) of the picture, so you can post the URL at any other site for other people to view it. It's pretty straightforward and easy.

One of those sites is www.imageshack.us . Just upload there your pictures and post here the links you get from the site.


Edited by vklepil (10/14/08 07:06 PM)

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#56718 - 10/14/08 07:49 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: vklepil]
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Thanks Vklepil,

Here is the link. Before and after on the chest. The after was taken end of september.

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforeafterdq0.png

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#56719 - 10/14/08 08:15 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Wow, it is hard to believe but if this is for real it would blow every other method out of the water. Are you sure that you don't have any skin disease that just causes hair loss? Lol. We all pray for you to find the person responsible for this.

Thanks for the pictures.

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#56720 - 10/14/08 09:55 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: vklepil]
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Can you help me figure something out here, ironman? You are chosen at random to have some guy that doesn't represent an approved clinical trial study group, spray a couple of different formula's on you, on different test spots on your body and face and then he used a light-based laser or IPL's to warm the special cream or spray, and with just one treatment, you have only a few hairs left on the areas where you had this special spray used along with the light-based therapy?? Long sentence and poor grammar, I know, so my apologies for that, but did I sum that up correctly? Is he making this in his kitchen, garage, basement?? I know you can't answer that, but my imagination is on the loose.

What I don't understand is, why is he so difficult to make contact with? Wouldn't you think he would want to see or hear from the people that he tried his special spray on to see if it worked?? I would think he would want to evaluate his product. I can only imagine how excited he would be to know that he may be responsible for bringing so much happiness to the hairy and wealth to himself beyond his comprehension!

Maybe he knows he has hit the jackpot and is purposely in hiding until he can get get protection for his product. Sort of like if someone wins the 300,000,0000 lottery, they don't tell anyone until they hire an attorney and lock the ticket away for safe keeping.

Are you from Canada? I feel like we've had discussions about this before on hairtell. I even participated in a survey from an inventor(s) in Canada by answering questions about hair removal. It all centered around using a topical with light-based products to permanently remove all colors of hair in any phase of growth.

This will certainly be big news to the world. When I hear about stories like this, I am not ready to jump on the scam wagon, because I think that it will be possible to interfer with hair growth at the cellular level, meaning, interfering with the cells RNA. It all revolves around getting the biology, chemistry and delivery system just right so that those tough little hairs can be affected.

Put your best detective hat on ironman and go find him!


Thanks for the pictures.

Dee

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#56722 - 10/14/08 11:22 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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dfahey,

I would be glad to help you answer all the questions. I was going to the previous salon for laser hair removal on my back when I was told of this guy and what he was doing. I then met him and told him of my concerns for hair and he seemed pretty confident of his product and showed me before and after pics of his tests and he himself had no facial hair or pretty much anything on his body. Seeing as I am desperate and willing to try anything I went ahead and tried it.

I remained in contact with him for several months. He wanted monthly updates sent to his email. However the last time I spoke with him was when he did my shoulders in late June. He was becoming overwelmed with all the attention and buzz surrounding his product and he did indeed state he was in search of some good lawyers and what not to aid in his getting it out there.

From what I get he is no scientist just some young guy who created this a few years ago. But now has several different products used with light therapy and ultrasound for many different health and cosmetic issues.

btw I must add his product produced no side effects what so ever.

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#56723 - 10/14/08 11:24 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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I do know where he is basing his testing out of now so I will make sure to pop in when he is there. Like I said earlier the woman at the salon stated he was out of province for a while.

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#56724 - 10/15/08 12:43 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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So people have been trying to find a fast, permanent way to remove hair for years. Out of the blue, some guy has a spray that can do it? Please don't be offended by the large number of skeptics that may not believe you.

So you go to a guy that you don't know, and you agree to have a substance sprayed on your skin without knowing the ingredients? The guy gives no name? No contact information?

There are probably a number of chemicals out there that can do the same, with some not so nice side effects some time down the line.

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#56725 - 10/15/08 01:01 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: jme1]
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Ironman, you didn't say if you are from Cananda. Did the man that treated you in a salon not have a first name that you remembered?

It's hard to believe that a non-scientist could even come close to developing such a miracle for permanent hair removal. Were you told to do anything yourself to the area after you received treatment?
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#56726 - 10/15/08 01:26 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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Jme,
I totally understand that will be tons of skeptics to what I am trying to tell you. But I just wanted to let everyone at least know there is hope out there.

I did not just meet the guy and decide to let him test the stuff on me. There were already dozens of people who had tried the product including women at the salon he was testing it at. All of them were saying how great it was so I figured what the heck. I had to sign forms stating that it was experimental but he assured me how good it was for the skin. In turn I would be allowed free treatment.

The ingredients he stated were extremely safe for the skin and had been tested over the 9 years that it had been worked on. From what I got yes he is just some average person who created it.

After treatment I was told to treat the skin much like it was just done after laser hair removal. Although I admit I didn't adhere to those rules too much I was still fine.

All I know is the guy worked on it for close to a decade and that after a year my skin in the treated areas is fine. Like I stated in a previous post, he has created other formulas for the skin such as depigmentation, scars, hair growth and many others. I had an interesting conversation with him when I had my shoulders done in which he said the future of cosmetics and health issues revolves around topicals and ingested formulas used in conjunction with radio frequency waves, IPL, PDT, or ultrasound devices that penetrate further into the skin.

I do know his name and do have his email but from the last conversation in which he was worried over the amount of people hounding him I do not think its a good idea to divuldge all that.

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#56727 - 10/15/08 01:27 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Sorry I am from Canada and reside in Ontario

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#56728 - 10/15/08 01:52 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Okay. Thanks. I would not expect you to divulge his name. I wouldn't either if I were you as that would be highly unethical under these circumstances! I was just curious if you even knew his name, as that was unclear.

I'll leave it at that. Thanks again for your input. This is all so interesting and hopeful sounding!

Dee
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#56735 - 10/15/08 04:35 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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I will admit that it is the ONE APPLICATION part that bothers me most. The only way I understand anything could hypothetically do that is by changing the genetic code for that area of skin.
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#56736 - 10/15/08 05:44 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Well like I said there are some hairs that have come back. Its not perfectly clear. So more treatments would be needed. However the fact it clears so much in one time is astonishing. I think it makes sense.
Why cant the hair be destroyed on one treatment? The creator explained how when he created it years ago he only had a delayed growth but believed if you could delay it or reduce it then it meant there is a possability to stop it.

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#56889 - 10/22/08 12:12 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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what was the laser that was used on your back?
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#56896 - 10/22/08 01:35 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: roma18]
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lightsheer

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#56903 - 10/22/08 03:13 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Ironman, did the guy, who treated you, say the cream would also work for light colored or grey hairs? Also, do you plan to go back and see him for other treatments?

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#56937 - 10/22/08 05:01 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: werty]
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Hi werty,

It works on all type of hairs. Although the very very fine hairs that never got pulled from the root didn't get affected but it does not matter because they are naked to the eye pretty much. I would love to get more treatments (even if I have to pay) I have yet to get a hold of him but know where he is working. I was told he will be back mid- Nov. So I will definitely be going into see him.

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#57287 - 11/01/08 08:28 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Ironman, was the hair that grew back thinner?

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#57793 - 11/22/08 05:53 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: chris27]
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So did you go in for another treatment?
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#57820 - 11/23/08 09:20 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: roma18]
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Hi all,

The hair that grew back at first was thinner for a few mths but after that they came back to pretty much full thickness. But that is okay seeing as there is not many. I have gone in to see him last week and he had some great news. He is currently in talks with several companies to possibly market it as soon as possible. Also starting the new year he will be working out of a salon offering his product with PDT in the Toronto area.

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#57821 - 11/23/08 09:49 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Ironman03,

Please keep on top of this and let us know when, where and what the cost may be for the product.


Thanks

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#57863 - 11/25/08 01:33 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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This all seems rather fishy to me. No offence ironman, but if an anonymous person would come in to a forum and write what you just wrote, there is no way I would believe him. I would see this as an easy, and free, way of marketing something that might just be homoeopathic drugs (=no effect).

This mysterious product which this mysterious man has invented, has it gone through any clinical trials? Can the reports be found in pubmed? I don't know how the rules are in Canada, but surely he can not just create such a product without rigorous and supervised clinical trials. He can't just create a product, test it on himself and then use it on people. That is very much unethical, dangerous and should be illegal. To actually see how the drug affects cells, hair etc one would need extensive trials and using laboratory equipment a normal person could not afford (unless he is very wealthy).

How did he create the product? In his garage or maybe he is a professor at a university (which I doubt. Such a break-through in the academic world would echo from more sources than an anonymous user at this forum). As I said earlier, anyone with an insight in biology and chemistry understands that things world leading scientists (often with a team of research assistants) have been struggling for years in top modern research facilities is nothing John Doe can imitate in his kitchen.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be rude. I do not know ironman and he does not know me, so there is not any reason to take it personally. The thing is that hair growth is a sensitive area and many (especially depressed persons) would do almost everything to get rid of the hair on the upper lip or maybe the hairy back. It's rather a rule than an exception that people will take advantage of this and come with false hopes and lies.

I would guess the next move would be that ironman posts a link to an unknown company who has taken on the product and are now selling it on the web. It will probably be classified as "alternative medicine".

I might be wrong, or I might be right. Time will tell...


Edited by LEF1 (11/25/08 01:37 PM)

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#57864 - 11/25/08 01:56 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: LEF1]
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You will note that the top posters on this site have already stated that the purported action of this topical don't quite jive with the biology of skin and hair.

Had Ironman come on here with a web link, his post would have been deleted, and if he persisted, he would most likely been banned.

On the other hand, I would like to state that one could possibly create something in one's kitchen or basement, or garage that would be marketable. Legally speaking, however, in the US & Canada, one would have to market it as a cosmetic, and claim no physical changes from its use. Once one claims change, the product becomes a drug and must submit to millions of dollars worth of bribes, um, I mean fees to organizations like the FDA and one must pay for clinical trials. Years later, one might be cleared to market the product.
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#57868 - 11/25/08 09:01 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Hi again,

I take absolutely no offense to what you think. I understand where you are coming from. I do also understand the effects that it has on people who are consumed with this problem, for I am one of them.

As for his studies, he has papers that show it is safe from I am unsure where. He created it 10 years ago I believe. All I intended to do was create some hope for the people that suffer from this problem to let them know that there are solutions in the near future that will help us out. Unfortanately our society has been duped so many times I understand why we cannot base our hopes on some info a person on the internet would say.

But to note. The creator of the product stated that the product is very safe. Not complicated at all with regards to formulation.

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#57870 - 11/25/08 11:37 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Instead of talking in his behalf, can you ask him to come on this forum? "Duped" is a good word to describe many who had high hopes and then nothing happened except, their wallets were emptied. Thanks for understanding the skeptism. We have to evaluate such comments and antedoctal evidence on publshed studies from the scientific community, so you see why there is resistance. You already said you understand that, so you're a good guy.

Dee
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#57882 - 11/26/08 04:02 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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I've lurked here for a while but I thought I'd post.

Ironman -- Can you at least divulge the salon you go to? Surely that doesn't have to be kept a secret.

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#57883 - 11/26/08 06:49 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: S-Wave]
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Hi S-wave,

The one I was always going to was in Oakville Ontario but he left there and is now in Toronto but unsure as to what is going on.

I am not even relaying what he says. But I do know I spoke to him about forums and the internet and he had trouble on some site where he wanted to give out free samples and they hassled him so I don't know whether he would want to talk on the internet. Plus it seems he is quite busy.

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#57903 - 11/26/08 04:28 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Ironman --

Thanks for the response. I have a couple of questions

1.) Do you have any other pictures? I'm only seeing the ones for your chest in the link. Do you have one of your beard (I think you mentioned he did a test spot there).

2.) Was the procedure painful at all?

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#58139 - 12/08/08 11:25 AM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: S-Wave]
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ironman can you go into detail on how the whole procedure went? like what the stuff looked like, how it smelled, how long it was on, did it remove the hair right away or did fall out later, was it painful, etc.


as a fellow canadian could you ask this guy if he's willing to send some of this magic stuff to me? just enough to do a test area like a neck beard would be fine although i am big foot like and am willing to go full body. im willing to do weekly updates with pictures as well. ultimate guinea pig.

this product sounds too good to be true and im sure it isnt but i would like to be proven wrong.

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#58156 - 12/08/08 11:22 PM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: nervx]
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S-wave - I will take more pictures of my arms that had test spots. However from me getting laser on my beard area there is clear area that will show the results now.

nervx- I believe if you scroll back to the first page or so you will get the procedure. It was painless and there was no smell. The hair is removed first before the application of PDT and it doesn't grow back. I waited roughly 30 minutes after being treated with the spray before the light was applied. I definitely felt a tingling sensation as if it were doing something.

I know for a fact he will not send anything to anyone. However he stated he was started clinicals with a few pharmaceuticals and has his own clinicals of over 300 people. I have a brochure that he gave me regarding all that. So from the information I got I don't think he needs anymore guinea pigs.

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#58157 - 12/08/08 11:34 PM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: ironman03]
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I have copied and pasted what was stated in his brochure he sent to me so you guys can get it from his words.

Background-

I created my invention eight years ago. By year three, I was selling an older formulated version of my product online in which I sold roughly 300 units. No negative side effects were documented in the seven months it was sold. After reformulating and realizing the potential of my product, I kept the new formulation to myself. Each ingredient in my formulation has been tested thoroughly not only by myself but by many scientists prior to my discovery. My product is activated by heat so I was curious as to whether laser or photo epilating devices could heat my product to a new level of efficacy concluding in a permanent product. In June of 2007 I first began my tests on my product with lasers and IPL's and have watched the results become monumental for the hair removal industry. Presently the active ingredients in my formulation are significantly stable against heat and light. The ingredients can be easily incorporated into various forms of cosmetic compositions providing a huge advantage against many products on the market.
The product has been studied regarding its effects on skin treatments, skin absorbance and stability and have found that the ingredients found in it are significantly stable even in comparison to many cosmetics on the market. It has been documented that in abonormally high doses of the active ingredient a rash may occur. However my formula uses a minimal amount. It is cleared rapidly from the body without any evidence of toxicity and hundreds of studies done by scientists prior have noted even at high doses it is quite safe. The ingredients have no mutagenic activity and does not clog pores.

Mechanism of action-

The hair is first removed by the root whereby my formula is applied and then a laser/IPL source is used over the treated area where my formula is activated by the heat of the light and permanent hair removal is achieved

The study-

As stated above roughly 300 people used my product without laser/IPL post formula application and had great temporary relief from having to shave or wax their hair. No negative side effects were noted.

So far 31 people have been tested by formula/laser application. Nineteen people have been tested in my control with another 12 by an interested party. The 19 people consisted of 14 caucasion, 1 black, 1 asian, and 3 middle eastern. Nine were male and 10 female ages ranged from 19-39 and were spread out over the course or 9 months roughly. The tests were controlled with each person having a shaved patch where just laser was used and a tweezed/waxed or epilated area where my product was used. Also seeing as I have a few variations of my formula on certain subjects I used a couple extra patches to test each formula out. Almost every area on the body was tested except the bikini line/genital area. Also different wavelengths and joules were tested to see which best suited the formulas activation. I am currently testing more people but do not have sufficient data to draw enough concrete conclusions.

5) Results-

see attachment for breakdown of subjects. Basicially as the charts will show I have used it on many areas and many large areas. At first I was doing test spots but found many people who had heard of my product wanted more and were willing to pay. Therefore I did the spots that made them either depressed or self consious of their body. I found that during the follow up not only were the results great but so were their sense of well being. I have enclosed 10/19 subjects so you can get an example of the efficacy of my product.

Limitations/side effects/ Variables-

After the use of the laser there is a slight reddening of the area just like normal laser hair removal. Same guidelines must be used post treatment as are used with normal laser hair removal. As for the study only one side effect came about after the reddening had cleared away from the treatment which was a fair amount of ingrown hairs. The is due to improper application of the laser or product. I am still looking into this. The variables that must be taken into consideration are listed as such
- A competent estitichian/laser tech
- Proper application of formula
- Hair removed from treated area is cleaned after waxing thoroughly to make sure the follicular ducts are available for formula penetration
- Amount of time left between removal of hair to application of formula followed by laser application

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#58158 - 12/09/08 02:40 AM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: ironman03]
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I always said that if something easier comes along that can permanently remove hair, then I will start my third career as a hospice nurse. What are you going to do, James?

This is sounding hoaxier and hoaxier (is that a word?), but I've learned over time that you can never out smart a genius.
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#58159 - 12/09/08 03:20 AM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: dfahey]
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Ironman , How do you know that your results aren't from the laser itself, and not the formula? I mean laser give good results, if it's used on the right hair, and skin type. Have you had 100% hair removal??


Edited by roma18 (12/09/08 03:26 AM)
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#58161 - 12/09/08 03:40 AM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: roma18]
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Roma and dhaffey,

I have been undergoing laser sessions for months before I tried this man's product. After having only one time sessions with a year going by and a great clearance in one time I am 100 percent certain that it is his product. The hype around my area where he tested it is proving that alone. I did not get 100 percent removal, more like 80- 90 percent. Laser after many times on my chest still just grows back.

I remember his reasoning for not coming onto boards like this for him saying that all it would do is cause people to say its a hoax and what not. I am now regretting my decision to share this information but can only tell you that soon the hair removal industry will be revolutionized.

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#58169 - 12/09/08 01:45 PM Re: mystery man with mystery product is a mystery [Re: ironman03]
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You seem to know a lot about how he feels. Tell him, if you see him, the word hoax comes to mind because you can only tease people for so long. Why bother to announce such a miracle hair remover complete with a mystery man if others can't get it? When will this product legally be available?

If the hair removal industry is revolutionized (another tease)with something fast, safe and easy, then that is another giant leap for mankind that I will be grateful for.

I think the contention arises because we can't explore this in depth and we are wondering when the mystery man will come forth and just sell the product.

Thanks for you patience ironman.

Dee
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#58579 - 12/24/08 03:58 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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hey ironman, i'm new here and just found this thread. can you please please be sure to let us know if you hear any news about this man and his product? and possibly post more pictures if you can? it would mean so much to me and so many others, thanks!

oh, and happy holidays everyone! smile


Edited by androby (12/24/08 04:01 AM)

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#60413 - 03/07/09 03:47 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: androby]
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This sounds very similar to thread that was on the old Kitty's forum. There was a Canadian, non-scientist poster, who had come up with a topical formula to eliminate hair. He claimed the same sort of efficacy. However, i don't remember it being heat activated.

At one point he sent out several free samples to individuals, myself included. However I never used it because I was too afraid of what I would be putting on my skin. He claimed that the active ingredients could be found in any health food store. If I remember right, some of the other testers claimed it stung like mad.

No conclusion was ever reached regarding efficacy. This might be a different guy, or a different formula. Maybe someone else remembers that guy from the other forum.

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#62166 - 05/04/09 10:51 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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So did you ever come up with an address for this guy?

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#62169 - 05/04/09 01:01 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: Karen123]
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Of course not! That's how these things always end. wink
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#63121 - 06/05/09 05:55 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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Bummer, I got quite curious at the matter too....
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#63808 - 07/05/09 06:31 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: Jaganess]
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I think i do remember something like this from the ConsumerBeware forum. There was a guy many years ago who made a cream..maybe a spray too for topical application. He gave it to a bunch of ppl on the forum but it kind of fizzled out. I think the website's name that he created was snakeoil or something like that (which i always thought was a negative sounding name)

For all I know this could be a different person...so any more news on this?

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#67543 - 11/17/09 05:33 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: exhausted]
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Maybe...Just maybe...this guy is hanging out on a beach somewhere with that scientist that developed that car that got 150 miles per gallon. They most likely drove there hair free, and are surely getting a bitch of a sunburn!!!!


hoy ya!! Hows that for some kung fu?

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#67842 - 11/27/09 07:39 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: kungfuaaron]
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Hi folks!

I recieved an email a while ago (one month or so) and it was from the man I had spoke of who created the topical that works with laser. He stated in a mass email that he will be working with a salon in the new year with his product in the greater Toronto area. I will keep you posted.

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#76366 - 07/07/10 07:53 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: ironman03]
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Well?

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#76384 - 07/08/10 04:34 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: jesuscakes]
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Originally Posted By: jesuscakes
Well?
Well, this is 6 pages of hot air and hearsay spanning 2 years about a miracle solution from some mysterious individual who came up with a potion in his kitchen. LOL
I like to believe that there IS advancing technologies in the works for LHR in near future, but so far it looks like science has hit a plateau for LHR.

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#76389 - 07/08/10 05:03 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: anotherdude]
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anotherdude: Isn't it weird that scientific progress moves so impressively fast when you're looking at it in retrospect, but so damn slowly when you're waiting for new developments?

We've accomplished so much in the past century as a species (good and bad things), it's like we're moving at the speed of light when you look back on it all. But the specific innovations I am personally waiting for seem to be taking FOREVER.

It's very frustrating. :P
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#76419 - 07/08/10 11:25 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: MagicalPrincessKitty]
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I think the problem is that the best and the brightest don't go into hair removal research. We should tap NASA to come up with something good. Don't these guys know that there are billions to make in this market?

All I want is a lotion that will remove facial hair at the root for at least 3 months (but not permanently) so I can throw away razors for good. And in 5 years, I hope there is a new laser that removes fine hair as well and induced growth is eliminated. By that time, my back hair will develop and be ready for treatment. LOL

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#87331 - 05/12/11 06:15 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: anotherdude]
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And the mystery-man has vanished and no one has ever heard of this miracle-cure again....I hate these kind of people....

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#87347 - 05/12/11 10:54 PM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: toeman]
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snake oil.
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#87351 - 05/13/11 12:31 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: dfahey]
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I was reading through this post the other night and was thinking the same thing. I'm sure if there was a product out there like this it wouldn't stand a chance to be put out on the market. So many laser technicians and electrologist would be put out of a job. Not to mention other hair removal products.

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#87357 - 05/13/11 02:59 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: chewbacca86]
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Ditto: snake oil

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#87467 - 05/16/11 01:14 AM Re: Spray with PDT [Re: Michael Bono]
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I was thinking about this product the other day and decided to try and do some research on the internet. I wonder why there isn't much info noted past 2007? I wonder if it is a something we will see on the market within the next ten years. I think it is great that they are trying to advance hair removal, but it also makes me skeptical considering this product is used in conjunction with laser. I mean, sure it targets lighter hair, but what are the chances of laser induced hair growth? Does that eliminate that from the picture? I doubt it!

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