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#6003 - 06/26/02 06:40 AM Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Came across this article doing research on different ways to remove hair...any thoughts?
[article below]
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Soymilk reduces hair growth and hair follicle dimensions
M. Seiberg, J.-C. Liu, L. Babiarz, E. Sharlow and S. Shapiro
Abstract: We have recently shown that soybean-derived serine protease inhibitors and soybean extracts alter skin pigmentation, suggesting that soymilk could be used as a natural alternative to skin lightening. The present studies were initiated to examine the possible effect of STI, BBI and soymilk on hair pigmentation. Interestingly, these agents were found to affect not only hair pigmentation, but also the rate of hair growth, the dimensions of the hair follicle and hair shaft, and the appearance of the hair. The studies presented here provide first evidence, at the morphological and histological level, that soymilk and the soybean-derived serine protease inhibitors could be used as effective agents for hair care and management. These agents could reduce the rate of hair growth, decrease hair shaft dimensions and alter the pattern of melanogenic gene expression.

The hair follicle is an epithelial structure that undergoes cycles of active growth (anagen), regression (catagen) and rest (telogen) (1). During anagen the hair follicle grows down into the dermis, forming a complex layered structure with a pigmented shaft. During catagen the hair follicle shortens, and in telogen the epithelial cells are resting while the hair shaft remains inside the short follicle. The morphological changes throughout the hair cycle are well-documented (2), but the regulation of the different phases of this cycle is not completely understood. The synchronized hair growth mouse model (3, 4) has been extensively utilized to better understand the regulation of hair growth and cycling.

One main function of mammalian hair is to provide environmental protection. However, that function has been lost in humans, in whom hair is kept or removed for social and cosmetic purposes. Many procedures are used to remove unwanted hair, from simple inexpensive home treatments like shaving, plucking and waxing, to expensive and potentially time-consuming methods like electrolysis, laser, light therapies and therapeutic antiandrogens. These methods differ not only in the duration of hair removal, their price range and their pain and discomfort levels, but also in their possible undesired effects (reviewed in (5)). Shaving may result in nicks and cuts in the skins surface, may increase the risk of infection, may leave a perception of an increase in the rate of hair growth, and may also leave undesirable stubble. Plucking causes pain and discomfort, and often results in poor removal of short hair. While electrolysis may keep an area free of unwanted hair for a prolonged period of time, the process is expensive and painful and may further result in scarring. Promising clinical results have been obtained with laser treatments, but not without changes in skin texture and pigmentation. Several unwanted side effects, such as liver toxicity or effects on muscularity often accompany the use of antiandrogens. Alternatives to hair removal are popular hair cosmetic treatments like hair dying or bleaching, used to reduce hair visibility in desired body parts. These treatments, which are sometimes irritating, are not always satisfying, as the emerging portions of the hair shafts are always darker than the already treated parts.

INTRO

The Kunitz-type trypsin inhibitor (soybean trypsin inhibitor, STI), and the Bowman-Birk protease inhibitor (BBI) are two serine protease inhibitors isolated from soybeans (reviewed in (6, 7)). STI inhibits the proteolytic activity of trypsin (6), and BBI inhibits trypsin and chymotrypsin (7, 8). Recently we demonstrated that soymilk, STI and BBI inhibit PAR-2 activation and thus induce skin depigmentation (9). The studies described here were designed to explore the potential use of these agents in the inhibition of hair pigmentation. Our data demonstrate that STI, BBI and soymilk reduce not only hair pigmentation, but also the rate of hair growth and the final dimensions of the hair shaft. These data suggest that such agents may serve as an inexpensive, natural alternative treatment for undesired hair growth.

DISCUSSION

The inhibition of PAR-2 activation by synthetic serine protease inhibitors (15, 17) results in skin lightening, suggesting a new class of depigmenting agents. Similarly, inhibition of the PAR-2 pathway by soymilk leads to skin depigmentation, suggesting that soymilk could be used as a natural alternative to skin lightening (9). The present studies were initiated to examine the possible effect of STI, BBI and soymilk on hair pigmentation. Interestingly, these agents were found to affect not only hair pigmentation, but also the rate of hair growth, the dimensions of the hair follicle and hair shaft, and the appearance of the hair.

Soybeans were not utilized as food until precipitation and fermentation techniques were developed, because they produced serious gastric distress. These are due to the inhibitory activity of STI and BBI, which block the action of trypsin and other proteases needed for protein digestion (18). It is the heat inactivation of STI and BBI during soybean processing (reviewed in (19, 20)) that renders the soybean edible. It is important to note that fresh soymilk, but not heat-denatured or pasteurized soymilk, was the active inhibitor in our hair growth studies. Since STI is heat labile, but BBI is less affected by heat (6, 21), it is more likely that STI is the major protein agent in soymilk that affects hair growth, size and pigmentation.

Topical treatments with 17-beta-estradiol inhibited hair growth in mice, while an estrogen receptor antagonist initiated hair growth in this system (22, 23). This treatment was more effective at the site of application than at distant sites, indicating a direct rather than systemic effect. These studies implicate a skin-specific estrogen receptor pathway in the regulation of the hair cycle (23). The weak estrogenic effects of isoflavones are heavily documented. Interestingly, the soy derived phytoestrogen genistein was shown to decrease hair growth by 60%-80%, when hair follicles isolated from scalp biopsies were treated in culture (16). Our data clearly demonstrate a role for soy isoflavones in the regulation of hair growth. However, we also show that the soy-derived serine protease inhibitors, STI and BBI, alone, affect hair growth. Since these agents are not known to act via the estrogen receptor, we suggest that they affect hair growth via a different pathway. Moreover, the combinations of soy and isoflavones tested show an additive effect, until saturation is observed.

A serine protease inhibitor treatment of keratinocyte-melanocyte co-cultures results in a decrease in TRP-1 gene expression, but in no changes in tyrosinase gene expression (15). As TRP-1 is a regulator of tyrosinase by stabilizing the protein (24, 25), we suggested that the down regulation of TRP-1 expression led to reduced tyrosinase half life and activity, and reduced pigment production (15). This suggests that while tyrosinase mRNA levels were not affected by the serine protease inhibitor, its steady state protein level should be reduced. Our current hair studies support this suggestion, demonstrating reduced tyrosinase and TRP-1 protein levels following soymilk treatment. These data could also imply that soymilk reduces pigment deposition within the hair follicle via the PAR-2 pathway. However, studies that induce PAR-2 activation and enhance pigment deposition are required to substantiate this hypothesis.

Using the synchronized hair growth mouse model (3, 4) we showed that topical trypsin treatment, immediately after depilation, induced cell death at the follicular papilla. This death signal, which is independent of the proteolytic activity of the protease, resulted in delaying hair growth and pigmentation (26). Here we show that the trypsin inhibitors STI and BBI also lead to delayed hair growth, as well as to reduced follicle dimensions and reduced pigment deposition within the hair shaft. Since we could not detect apoptotic cells in the papillae of soymilk, STI or BBI treated mice (not shown), we suggest that STI and BBI do not affect papillae cell death, but exert their effect on hair growth and size via a different mechanism.

Humans keep or remove hair from different body parts for social and cosmetic purposes. Unwanted hair is removed using home treatments or professional services, or is bleached to reduce its visibility. A safe and effective agent that could reduce hair growth, hair size and hair pigmentation would add to the available home treatments, which are not always satisfying. The finding that soymilk and soymilk-derived serine protease inhibitors delay hair growth and reduce hair shaft dimensions and pigmentation provides a new concept in hair growth and management, and could serve as an effective natural way to manage unwanted hair growth. The human studies presented here represent a positive proof-of-concept pilot study, which led us to perform larger double blind studies. Preliminary data of these studies (J.-C. Liu, in preparation) indicate that treatment with soymilk-containing formulations reduced the rate of hair growth of womens legs, affected the direction of hair growth to look more homogeneous, and made the hair softer, finer and less noticeable.

Hirsutism is a relatively frequent condition affecting about 4% of women. Facial hirsutism often interferes with personal and work activities, and temporary hair removal is a major component in the management of hirsute patients. Shaving is the most frequently used temporary method for facial hair, as plucking, waxing and depilatories are more difficult to tolerate and care must be taken to avoid folliculitis, pigmentary changes, and scarring. Cosmetic cover-ups are usually used to hide cuts and stubble (27, 28), and electrolysis and thermolysis are used for permanent hair removal when affordable (29). Daily treatment with soybean-derived protease inhibitors or soymilk products would be painless and of modest cost and could serve to reduce hair growth and visibility in these patients, enhancing their quality of life. Preliminary clinical data (J.-C. Liu, in preparation) indicate that treatment with STI and soymilk-containing formulations significantly reduced womens facial hair growth rate and visibility.

African-type hair is unique in its morphology - a kinky hair shaft with variations in diameter. This complex shaft structure creates the need for specialized grooming products and procedures to ensure that the African-type hair maintains cosmetic desired properties. The addition of STI, BBI or soymilk into hair care products could reduce this complexity and make the African-type hair more manageable, improving its appearance.

The studies presented here establish soymilk and the soybean-derived serine protease inhibitors as effective and inexpensive cosmetic agents for hair care and management. These agents could reduce the rate of hair growth, decrease hair shaft dimensions and reduce hair pigmentation, resulting in slower hair growth, softer and lighter hair shafts, and more manageable hair care.
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Interesting article and hopeful results but so is every other hair removal method out there. Just novel to see Soy as the actual product used to yield results - go figure.

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#6004 - 06/26/02 07:41 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Thanks for posting this, Yogurtsoy!

FYI, the full citation is:

Exp Dermatol 2001 Dec;10(6):405-413.
PMID: 11737259

Medline: Seiberg 2001 (Soymilk effect on hair)

Johnson & Johnson - Consumer Products Worldwide, Skin Research Center, 199 Grandview Rd, Skillman, NJ 08558, USA.

You can reach the head researcher at:

MSEIBER@CPCUS.JNJ.COM

Soy is a phytoestrogen, or plant-based estrogen. Its consumption has been linked to improvement in a variety of androgen-infleunced conditions, including some prostate conditions and menopause.

The interesting thing in this study is that the product was applied topically, rather than drunk. The effect was most notable only in areas where direct application occurred.

This will have some interesting developments over time! Thanks again for putting it up!

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#6005 - 06/26/02 11:55 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Andrea, is the effect of this stuff permanent its hard to understand.

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#6006 - 06/27/02 12:01 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Quaterman, any topical that claims it's permanent is a scam. There have been no clinical studies indicating that any topical preparation applied to the skin will have a permanent effect on hair growth.

Even legitimmate products like Vaniqa state that hair will return to normal if you stop using it. Same is true for topical hair regrowth products like Rogaine.

That's how you can tell the scam artists. There is no published proof of permanence with any topical. Anyone claiming a they sell a permanent hair removal spray or lotion is a liar and a fraud. Simple as that.

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#6007 - 07/03/02 10:11 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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I sent an e-mail to their skin research center and they told me that probably this kind of product will be available in few month. However,
i sent another email to the company itslef and they claimed that that dont know nothing about this research or its probably not in its late stages. thats pertty wired to me.

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#6008 - 07/04/02 06:58 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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So in the meantime, should we all start drenching ourselves in soy milk? [Smile] People are gonna think we belong to some kind of a bizarre cult - we'll be able to recognize each other on the streets - "Hmmm... I smell soy milk. Must be a Hairtell Forums person nearby." [Smile]

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#6009 - 07/11/02 10:27 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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This sounds really interesting, i have just done some searches on the net to find some more information, there does not seem to be alot of information on this, are johnson & johnson researching this with a view to developing a lotion that can be applied to reduce hair growth, if it can reduce the follicle size this will reduce the length and thickness of the hair is this correct?

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#6010 - 07/11/02 01:46 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Cute, Anonymous! [Big Grin]

I agree with Dee9437 that this has interesting possibilities, but its commercial availability may be a way off. The journal in which this appeared tends to report interesting experimental findings, so it's usually a few years before commercially-available products are produced following any finding. It takes time to find the ideal concentrations and application techniques and timings.

Of course, the quacks will be out in full force long before then. They'd rather sell you something now and worry about whether it works or not after they have your money (if they worry about it at all).

[ July 11, 2002, 06:47 AM: Message edited by: Andrea ]

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#6011 - 07/16/02 07:52 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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I have been researching this subject, and i thought i would let you know that i sent an email to johnson & johnson skin research centre, and they replied saying that products will be avaiable soon, so perhaps they may be good news around the corner!

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#6012 - 07/16/02 02:19 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Cool, dee! Thanks for the update!

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#6013 - 09/15/02 11:36 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Miri seindberg has stopped responding to emails, i wonder if anything has went wrong.
It's really annoying keep waiting for some prodcut to be available without even knowing how exactly it should be used.

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#6014 - 09/16/02 01:19 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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quaterman, there scomes a point where a researcher has nothing more to add, or they've been pestered too much by people who got wind of their research that they can't get anything done.

That's why I urge moderation when bothering these researchers. The big researchers like laser guru Rox Anderson at MGH get to a point they won't even speak with reporters becuase the constant questions become such a huge distraction.

So to those of you writing to researchers, keep your letter very specific and don't write to a researcher more than twice a year. They may write you off as a kook or something, and you may prompt them to stop interacting with the public if you inundate them with mail.

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#6015 - 09/20/02 06:15 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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that info about the soy is intriguing, but how long was it applied and for how long a period? can you buy fresh/raw soymilk at the store? anyway, great site, it has been very helpful

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#6016 - 09/27/02 06:20 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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I would like to echo Neil's questions about soy Milk. How long should the milk be applied for? What if any are the advantages to a normal depilatory substance? Does drinking soy milk have any effect at all? Just curious about this subject. Thanks.

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#6017 - 09/27/02 07:51 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Try doing a search for "soy" - or start by looking at this thread:

http://www.hairtell.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=000024

I cant imagine drinking it has any effect. The fact that Andrea drinks gallons of soy milk and still has an interest in HR, seems to indicate it doesn't have an impressive effect when taken orally [Big Grin]

[ September 27, 2002, 12:51 AM: Message edited by: DKgirl ]

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#6018 - 10/01/02 01:59 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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neil and blackcat, the studies were performed on mice, so there has nbeen no treatment parameter set up for people. It has never been tested on people and is considered experimental.

In the study, it was applied topically, rubbed into the skin. Your guess is as good as mine as far as how much or how long.

Drinking it will not have an effect, although over the course of a lifetime, it appears that soy may have some mild antiandrogenic effects.

So, if you want to try it, I'd probably rub it on my arm for starters, to see if it's sticky or stinky. If it seems OK, I'd try putting it on after a shower and leaving it. If that's not an option, maybe you can put it on in the evening and rinse it off before you go to bed.

Again, it might be as effective as water, but it has shown significant change in hair size and color in mice, which is often a good indication of what might happen in humans.

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#6019 - 10/04/02 04:23 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Some un-scientific info on soymilk can be found in the section "non-perscription topical applications" a few of us have been trying it...

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#6020 - 10/14/02 03:20 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Andrea, i know you are not the address, but do you think when it is applied on the skin does it reach the root without the hair removal ( i mean the future product) and therefor keep the hair reduced in hair and color?

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#6021 - 10/16/02 04:57 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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The mice in the study were not epilated.

The notion that epilation is required is a ruse put forward by the herbalists who make topical "hair inhibitors." There is no evidence that the product is more effective when used on epilated skin. If I were skeptical, I'd say that the results some consumers claim to see are simply caused by the epilation and not whatever lotion they were sold.

Oh, wait, I am skeptical! [Wink]

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#6022 - 10/17/02 01:00 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Andrea you are right. I asked a dermatologist and he said that in most cases a massage can do the job without any hair removal. So i guess that that claims of Nissim that the hair follicles are open for 48 hours after the epilation are not baised at all.

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#6023 - 10/22/02 01:03 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Nisim pulls all their health claims out of their @$$. They are not based on any reliable scientific methodology.

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#6024 - 10/25/02 09:13 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Does anybody know of any trials that are taking place with face creams with the active soy in them. If so how long untill a product could be available to buy, i think they could be a big market for a daily face cream with the active soy in, johnson & johnson have a good reputation for creams, do you think this is the product they would like to market?

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#6025 - 10/26/02 01:13 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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The said that it will be available for consumption in few months and that's all i know.

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#6026 - 11/05/02 02:30 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Andrea or anybody- How are we supposed to find out when it's availeable for cunsumption?

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#6027 - 11/06/02 08:43 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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well has anyone tried applying the soymilk directly to the skin? If so is it sticky or does it work? also, tess, what are you doing with soy?

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#6028 - 11/08/02 07:10 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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quaterman, I'm keeping an eye on it, but R&D generally takes quite a while. Some companies plan product launches on two or three year timetables

neil, a couple of consumers hare are trying it topically, but there is no treatment protocol set up at this time (i.e., how much to use, when to use, how long to leave it on, etc.). Anyone trying it is going to have a very difficult time assessing the results based on their own attempts, since there's so many variables.

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#6029 - 01/11/03 10:39 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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JNJ has removed all the info regarding that research from pubmed and They claim they cannot answer questions about it when asked so i wonder if it's in the late stages of develpoment. What do you think Andrea?

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#6030 - 01/14/03 09:02 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Either that, or they were getting too many distracting queries from the general public. Every letter they have to answer takes time away from rersearch, and as I know from this site, the letters can add up and really cut into the time available for new work. Good thing we have the pubmed entry right here!

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#6031 - 01/26/03 12:08 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Guess what... JNJ has been selling soy-based products for a while:
http://www.jnj.com/news/jnj_news/20020308_1101.htm

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#6032 - 02/01/03 02:20 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Thanks for staying on top of this, quaterman! [Cool]

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#6033 - 02/15/03 03:02 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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I've just noticed that is a FACIAL products line so I'm worried that any kind of hair redaction treatment will be only facial.
You can read in the report itself- they mantion facial hirsutism only.

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#6034 - 03/11/03 04:04 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Hi again,

(Andrea i can't use my other login name...)

I have kind of good new. i e-mailed aveeno and they said that their new conditioners based on soy reduced hair growth. Yet, they are not being marketed as hair inhibitors and they are quite expensive so we can't possibly use them on large areas, only on small patches for a test i assume.

I also emailed JNJ through their webpage regarding any kind of hair inhibitor and they clamied that they were not aware of any kind of research related to that issue..... maybe they are trying to keep it secretly. oh well....

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#6035 - 03/11/03 09:28 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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I think what they are concerned about is the quacks jumping to conclusions that a mouse study is proof that the same effect occurs in humans. JNJ is a very reputable company with high ethical standards. They know that marketing soy milk as a hair inhibitor for humans without adequate documentation is unethical and probably illegal. Big companies with good repuations are going to take the time to get the proof before making health claims. The fly-by-night folks will whip up their herbal concoctions and market them as hair inhibitors without proof, because they don't think proof is important.

[ March 11, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Andrea ]

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#6036 - 03/11/03 11:47 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Then why did they claim they didn't have any info?
Another thing Andrea, do you think it would be affordable to deal with body hair on large areas?

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#6037 - 03/28/03 09:01 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Ok i got this e-mail from JNJ itself:

Aveeno Positively Smooth Shave Gel naturally helps you spend less time shaving,
while helping to prevent shaving irritation, so your skin stays softer, smoother
longer. This creamy shave gel is specially formulated to immediately soften and
condition hair making it easier for you to get a closer shave so you can shave
less often with continued use. Its unique formula contains rich emollients and
natural soy extracts. These ingredients have been shown to minimize the
appearance of unwanted hair in Positively Smooth Moisturizing Lotion with daily
use.This creamy gel rehydrates, moisturizes, and soothes skin to help prevent
nicks, cuts, and even razor bumps. And, this clean rinsing formula has a light
natural scent and is gentle enough for even sensitive skin.
This is not a quack, it's the real thing i believe.

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#6038 - 04/13/03 02:28 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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These claims are identical to the previous "shave minimizing lotion" Naturally Smooth.

There is no express claim of growth inhibition, merely that there can be a tactile/cosmetic effect regarding the APPEARANCE. The language is very nuanced and obviouslt cleared through their legal department. It sounds good, but the claims are no different than before.

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#6039 - 04/16/03 06:31 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Good to have you back Andrea. I thought "they" have got you or something....

Anyhow, i think that JNJ has a good reputation behind it and it would be worth to try.

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#6040 - 06/09/03 01:53 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Hey all,
hmmm. well I think soya may have to do something with hair growth.. read my article hair or here:
http://www.hairtell.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=45;t=000017

Bye... [Big Grin]

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#6041 - 09/29/03 11:03 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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This is in no way my field of expertise, but I do remember reading some fascinating studies very recently. I've tried to find the links again, without any success, but perhaps someone else will...

As there would appear to be more and more children with lactose intolerance, and more and more health conscious parents, so now more and more kids are being given soy milk as a substitute for cow's milk.

The interesting thing is that the isoflavones in soy milk seem to contain phyto estrogens, and girls raised on soy milk would appear to have their bodies reach puberty 18 months to two years prior to kids raised on cow's milk.

BUT this is still unproven!!!

My only thought is that if indeed it is confirmed that soy is a phyto estrogen, then obviously it would be having an effect on hair growth, as do so many other phyto hormones. Any androgen suppressant (aldactone, androcur, etc...)will reduce hair growth.

Having said that, I can believe that whereas someone consuming a product (soy milk) for a dozen years will be affected by it, I cannot believe that a few applications of soy milk on the body could have any real impact on hair growth (but I will try it!).

If that were the case, estrogel would work better than Vaniqa, and a mixture of androcur and olive oil could be the snake oil of the 21st century!. (DO NOT TRY THIS!)

Sorry for the ramble. Andrea, please correct any obvious errors...

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#6042 - 11/15/04 04:08 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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plz update more info for working

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#6043 - 01/01/05 07:16 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
Mantaray Offline
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I took a lot of interest in this when it was first announced in it's research abstract form. I'm not sure who's on the bandwagon now trying to get this to market. Being a former worker in the medical research field for some years, I went straight for the raw data and found this; The fact that raw soy milk inhibits hair growth was only offhand mentioned as a "side outcome" of the researchers findings. Their statement was basically that raw soymilk has a protein in it, if a hair is plucked or removed somehow, and this area is then doused with raw soymilk, the protein has a chance to get down into the follical and deactivate the hair growth cells. It cannot be pasteurized soy milk, pasteurization (super heating)destroys all the necessary natural proteins that are needed to make this work, it has to be fresh and raw. I wanted to test this myself, because they were so cloudy about their findings. So here where I lived I went to just about every whole foods health food store I could find. I spent a whole day off from work doing this. And, I could not find any unpasteurized raw soymilk. It's all pasteurized or ultra-pasteurized. When I spoke to the one knowledgeable person on the subject I found, he said that there's no such thing as raw soymilk. There's no commercial use for it, and it's not sellable, too many germs, bacteria, and it's an ugly green color that people wouldn't go for. Being that I just want it for topical use, I asked where to get it anyway. He told me I'd have to go to a soy mill where they produce the milk. There's only one small farm here where I live that produces soy milk so I have to get around to contacting them.

Mantaray

You know the funniest images come from this. I imagine a girl standing in a bathtub with a scuba mask and snorkle, someone off camera yells, "Ready for easy permanent hair removal?!" The girl, her voice hard to make out because of the snorkle, says, "Ready." And they toss a bucket of soymilk on her. The man off camera then asks, "How's it working? Can you feel your hair going away?" Then there's a pause, and the girl says with the snorkle in her mouth, "...I don't know."

That's just me though

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#6044 - 08/06/06 08:10 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
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Registered: 04/26/06
Posts: 3
Quote:

I took a lot of interest in this when it was first announced in it's research abstract form. I'm not sure who's on the bandwagon now trying to get this to market. Being a former worker in the medical research field for some years, I went straight for the raw data and found this; The fact that raw soy milk inhibits hair growth was only offhand mentioned as a "side outcome" of the researchers findings. Their statement was basically that raw soymilk has a protein in it, if a hair is plucked or removed somehow, and this area is then doused with raw soymilk, the protein has a chance to get down into the follical and deactivate the hair growth cells. It cannot be pasteurized soy milk, pasteurization (super heating)destroys all the necessary natural proteins that are needed to make this work, it has to be fresh and raw. I wanted to test this myself, because they were so cloudy about their findings. So here where I lived I went to just about every whole foods health food store I could find. I spent a whole day off from work doing this. And, I could not find any unpasteurized raw soymilk. It's all pasteurized or ultra-pasteurized. When I spoke to the one knowledgeable person on the subject I found, he said that there's no such thing as raw soymilk. There's no commercial use for it, and it's not sellable, too many germs, bacteria, and it's an ugly green color that people wouldn't go for. Being that I just want it for topical use, I asked where to get it anyway. He told me I'd have to go to a soy mill where they produce the milk. There's only one small farm here where I live that produces soy milk so I have to get around to contacting them.





Soybeans can be easily purchased, soaked in water, blended up, and applied.

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#6045 - 10/17/06 03:16 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle
MeganHalloway Offline
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Registered: 09/15/06
Posts: 21
This is very interesting to read. I never thought that something like soy milk would have these results. In fact, I must admit that Iím still a little skeptical.

~ Megan @ Hair Removal http://www.hair-removal-options.com/ A Guide to find the best hair removal option for you

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#64987 - 08/16/09 08:27 PM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle [Re: MeganHalloway]
sunflour Offline
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Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 2
This is a very interesting thread! Has anyone continued to use soy milk? What have the results been like? And when you say 'soy milk' do you mean home made? or store bought? I was thinking of trying it out with a home made soy mask - soak soy beans in water then blend then sieve the mixture then apply. How long should I leave it on for? If anyone has any tips or info, please do let me know!! smile

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#64988 - 08/17/09 12:30 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle [Re: sunflour]
lefty2g , LE, CPE Offline
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Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 232
Loc: Massachusetts, USA
I'VE USED ONLY SOY FOR A FEW YEARS. IT HAS VERY LITTLE FAT (HALF THE AMOUNT OF WHOLE MILK) AND LESS PROTEIN THAN MILK (7 gms TO MILK 8 gms). This is right off the label in front of me as I write. Hair is 100% keratin which is 100% protein. Can you explain how drinking LESS PROTEIN IN SOY WILL PRODUCE MORE HAIR THAN MILK WHICH HAS MORE PROTEIN? INGESTING LESS PROTEIN IN SOY CAN NOT PRODUCE MORE HAIR THAN MILK. LOOK IT UP.

So many STORIES are written here by people who mean well but never check their information yet repeat it as though it was true. When anybody tells me, "They say gelatin makes nails grow longer and faster." My reply is,"Who are THEY? These people get credit for a lot of nonsense as though it was accurate".

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#64993 - 08/17/09 05:50 AM Re: Soy Milk reduces hair growth and hair follicle [Re: lefty2g , LE, CPE]
Ale19 Offline
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Registered: 05/04/09
Posts: 22
Has any one started rubbing soy milk on thiere hair ?
Does it really work?

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