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#6088 - 05/14/02 05:40 AM Re: hair inhibitors
Andrea Online
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Hi Jon--

Thanks for joining and posting!

Consumer tests are anecdotal and not scientific, but there are a few ways you can be more specific that might be helpful for others. Could you tell us the following things:

1. date you started use
2. area of your body you've treated
3. control area you mentioned (area and size)
4. method of epilation
5. treatment schedule with the topical

For instance, if you removed hair on both arms with the same method, but only treated one with Kalo, this could be an interesting observation, although it would still not be scientific.

What I'm trying to do with these boards is to be as specific as possible about consumer results. Over the years, many people have written to me that a product is working for them, but when I check back at six or twelve months, they say that it didn't work as well as they said at first.

I assume you are epilating all the hairs in the area you're treating. The tough part about all this is telling what's caused by the epilation and what's caused by the topical.

Because these guys didn't do any published clinical studies before they started selling this stuff, there's no way to know if you're seeing a placebo effect or not.

Consumers often look to other consumers for informtaion on whether a hair removal product works or not, but it's really hard for a consumer to tell. One, because they usually want it to work; and two, because you have to wait a long time to see if it's had a lasting effect.

I'm interested in hearing from people who are trying these products, but like Jon, I want to emphasize that these are not proven. Some people are willing to take that chance, which is fine. But if you can't afford to lose time or money to a product that may not work, I recommend sticking to stuff backed up by legitimate published scientific data.

Thanks again for the post, Jon!

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#6089 - 05/15/02 02:35 AM Re: hair inhibitors
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alright, i'll try to do this as best that i can [Smile] ...
1. i started using kalo in middle march, the 17th i think.

2. i've treated the back of my HANDS/FINGERS and FEET and plan to move on to other areas.

3. i was skeptical at first so i just wanted to try only a fairly small area to see if i would get any type of result at all. i tried it on the back of my hands some on my feet, where the hair was not extremely thick but enought that i would be able to tell if there were results. indeed there were, more so on my feet than on my hands but i saw progress. so i stopped on my feet because i'm satisfied with that now. now on my hands i admit i still have some work to do but many of the hairs do not come back as the product says. the ones that have are noticeably thinner which do not make it look near as bad.

4. ok, now i know waxing and all the other methods are great, but to keep a better control on the hair, i stuck to tweezing them out one by one. the key is gettin the hair from the root, which is fairly easy with tweezing if you do it right.

5. although i want to rid my body of a lot of the hair, i must admit that i am lazy and do not want to do all six treatments as suggested by kalo. i do one immediately after tweezing and follow up with one or two more applications when the first dries. very rarely do i even do it the second day as suggested. i probably would get even better results if i did it as specifically directed.

*ok, now kalo says that it will slow hair growth after shaving. i tried this only on my upper lip just to see if this too was true. sure enough, it did. usually by the end of the day it is rough to the touch, not really to look at but enough that i want to slow it down. kalo says you will see results with this after a week or two, but it worked much faster for me, after one application.

I can see why you warn people so much about these inhibitors because many probably are scams. i just wanted to post my results so far so maybe i could help someone, but even the kalo company says that it may not work for everyone or as well for some as others. i just decided to take a chance because i hate hair. i guess i'm just a lucky one, hope kalo can continue helping me. sorry my response was soo long, just a lot of information. thanks for letting me post. the board looks great!

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#6090 - 05/15/02 04:58 AM Re: hair inhibitors
Andrea Online
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Thanks for the reply, Jon. Perhaps you could use Kalo on one hand and not the other as directed for a while, and see if others can tell any difference between the two.

As I've said before, this is not scientific, but the only way to tell anything about long-term results is to give continuing progress reports.

Their website claims: "Kalo does not need to be used for the rest of your life." The real test will be after you're done using it. They claim "You will never need to deal with waxing, tweezing, laser or electrolysis again." I have yet to see that borne out by consumers who have gone one year after final use.

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#6091 - 05/23/02 12:01 AM Re: hair inhibitors
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andrea,

have you used kalo for yourself? i dont see why you advise against it and try to say that its the pre-treatment other than the kalo that causes the reduction. i honestly believe kalo works. i have seen a great reduction in hair because for the past month and a half or so i've let the hair on my hands grow and they're so much thinner and less noticeable. i started kalo in march and have only done a couple sessions. i know if i continue that they will eventually be gone. i suggest kalo to everyone and really dont see why you advise against it if you haven't tried it yourself. even quaterman says he saw a thinning in his hair. i mean, come on give them some credit here.

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#6092 - 05/23/02 12:03 AM Re: hair inhibitors
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[ May 22, 2002, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: jon ]

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#6093 - 05/23/02 02:27 AM Re: hair inhibitors
Andrea Online
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Loc: Los Angeles
Hi Jon--

I received a sample of Kalo from the manufacturer a while back and did not find any quantifiable difference in hair amount on my treated vs. untreated hand at six and twelve months after final treatment.

Six weeks is too soon to tell if a hair inhibitor is working or not. But the real test with a product like Kalo is to stop using it. They claim it's permanent, but there are no consumers who have been able to confirm permanent results at six and twelve months after they stop using it.

Kalo may appear to be working, but the progress is quite likely a placebo effect rather than a legitimate reduction. You won't know for sure for half a year, and by then, you've helped them move more product with premature reports of success, before there's been enough time to evaluate the results.

As I've said before, it's like fad diets. You'll get all kinds of people swearing this or that diet or method works at the onset, but a year later they're usually telling a different story. Hair removal is the same way. Permanence can only be judged based on long-term results, and six weeks isn't long enough.

For the record, I'mn not slamming anyone who reports their progress here. I'm just pointing out that most consumers don't understand how hard it is to evaluate a claim of permanent hair removal based on short-term individual results.

I'm hoping you'll continue to report back your progress as time goes on!

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#6094 - 05/27/02 09:54 PM Re: hair inhibitors
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Registered: 04/30/02
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Loc: israel
jon, is think kalo is great product and i did have a reductionin the hair growth. yet, i find it enoying that nisim cannot answer all the consumers questions regarding to kalo.
i asked tom (the forum moderator)if i can achieve only permanent reduction and not full elimination and he told me that "they feel the hair will eventually grow back to normal but they never tested it" then he asked me to test it myself and keep them posted as if i was participating in their clinical trials. and another thing, kalo seems to work only in few areas, in my back it had no affect at all.

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#6095 - 05/28/02 01:32 AM Re: hair inhibitors
jon Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 29
quaterman,

i know what you're saying when they won't answer your questions. but i think he meant that if its only used to make hairs thinner, they will grow back to normal. so are you still using kalo? it's made hairs thinner everywhere i've tried it so far which is several places now. let's hope it will keep it up!

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#6096 - 05/29/02 02:43 AM Re: hair inhibitors
Hairy Offline
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Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 11
Loc: Washington DC
What are the chances that Jon does not work for Halo?

Anyway, I ordered some Halo. I'll give it a try, why not. I don't
suspect it will work, but what do I have to lose?

I would get laser treatment (for back and chest), but it is prohibitively
expensive for the moment. After learning the prices, I actually
thought about starting my own office offering the service! It is
a cash cow.

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#6097 - 05/29/02 05:01 AM Re: hair inhibitors
Andrea Online
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 4149
Loc: Los Angeles
Welcome, Hairy!

I like to think everyone here has the decency to be honest, but of course, we can't verify this online.

Many consumers feel as you do about trying an unproven method-- "what do I have to lose?" In fact, marketers of these products know that the price point they can set is between $20 and $30. With that, they'll have enough people buy their product, because they are enough people who are willing to blow that much if it doesn't work. Then it's just an economy of scale. 90 million US households, maybe 10 million hear of their product and 2% respond to their ad... poof! 4 to 6 million in revenues!

A scam like IGIA tweezers can make $75 million in a year, and some people would kill their own mothers for that kind of money.

Kalo and others are literally banking on people willing to blow $30 on something that may or may not work. Either way, they still win, so it doesn't really matter to them if it works. That's why they start selling the product without any published proof of their claims.

[ May 28, 2002, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Andrea ]

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