Nissim and Tom are having a great party on consumerbeware message board.
After few month with no one to mention kalo they are trying to get the attention over there buy conducting another "test". They sure are hungry for the $$$$$$$$.

Hello All,
I am new to this site, one of my TS clients/friends told me about this site and I think it is great!
On the matter of Kalo, It is very hard to tell how well it works as if you test an area that area could have more or less hair naturally so you cannot judge it that way and it is hard to tell if you are using other type of hair removal that reduce the growth as well.
My sister has been using kalo on her Bikini line that she has been waxing for years and has said that it is fantastic and she has not had to do anything to her bikini line since.
I think what also need to be taken into consideration is the type of hair growth if the hair has been there a long time? If it is a hormonal growth? (if so that issue needs to be addressed before trying products of this nature) I think that these products are not expencive and if your hair growth concerns you it is worth a try!
I have been using a body lotion on and off for some time called "bio depiless" that makes that same claims as all the others and I have seen no difference in my hair growth.

quaterman, "Kitty" is a quack, so she's going to jump at the chance to add legitimacy to Kalo's unsubstantiated claims. Quacks like "Kitty" are often well-intentioned, but they fail to understand that their unscientific "tests" add nothing of merit to Kalo's claims, and in fact only serve to confuse the issue.

Legitimate products that alter growth of hair, like Rogaine or Vaniqa, have shown in published data that there is a very high rate of false positives, meaning people notice a change in hair growth even when using a product with no active ingredient. That's why individual assessments are scientifically worthless when judging a product like Kalo.

Nevertheless, some people will try anything that marketers put in front of them, figuring "it's worth a shot, what do I have to lose?" Unfortunately, these people simply end up rewarding this kind of unethical marketing behavior and encouraging even more unsubstantiated claims from the quacks who operate this way.

Obviously, someone like "Kitty" is never going to wise up and demand that companies like Kalo subject their products to the kind of rigorous testing performed by legitimate companies. What "Kitty" and people like her don't understand is that they are only perpetuating ignorance among consumers rather than using consumer power to force companies to market products with scientifically substantiated claims.

"Kitty" and her ilk are part of the problem, even though they like to think they're part of the solution. It's a shame, too, because they are usually well-meaning, just woefully out of touch with how legitimate companies market legitimate products making legitimate health claims. Being a quack is sort of like a religion-- it's a fundamental part of their worldview. It's very hard to convince someone who is a quack that scientific proof is more reliable than personal experience. People like "Kitty" think seeing is believing, and once they've decided on something, no amount of science or fact will ever convince them that their personal experience might not be reliable.

It's as frustrating as it is sad. Kalo may or may not work, but we'll never know until there are some clinical studies performed. Twenty people on a quack forum won't tell us much of anything. Something like this is far too difficult for someone like me or "Kitty" to assess on our own.

Unfortunately, the "Kitty test" will be enough for the consumers she's misled. All I can do is offer up the alternative viewpoint and hope that consumers see why scientific tests are necessary.

Beauty therapist, are you saying that your sister no longer needs to remove hair at her bikini line? Is she still using Kalo? If not, when did she stop? What methods of hair removal did she use in her bikini area?

I ask all this to get some specific information. As you know, second-hand reports from anonymous posters are not the most reliable information.

Those of you interested in reading the Kalo/"Kitty" collaboration can check out the following thread:

Consumer Beware: Unscientific Kalo "test"

Hi Andrea,
My sister has very dark coarse hair and I have been waxing her bikini line for herevery three weeks for a good few years now, since she has been using kalo (only for a few months) I have not been waxing her anymore she has been plucking. I have not seen the area, but she is pleased and that is the main thing. BUT I do think the claims that manufactures make are OTT and they do not always live up to there claims. I have not been very sucessful with products I have tried

Beauty therapist, one of my main goals is to get consumers to be more specific, and I generally discourage second-hand reports.

You stated you sister "has been using kalo (only for a few months)." You said at first:

"She has not had to do anything to her bikini line since."

Then you changed that to:

"I have not been waxing her anymore she has been plucking. I have not seen the area."

Would it be possible to have her report here directly? My concern is trying to get the most accurate information on these boards, and there's a lot of discrepancy between your two second-hand reports.

What would be especially useful for consumers is if you kept a record of the dates she epilated and the amount of time spent plucking at each session. While still unscientific, it would be helpful, especially for evealuating their claims of permanence when she discontinues use.

The more specific we can be with dates, time, etc., the more useful the information will be.

hello again Andrea,

Between my two post I sore my sister and she said that she had plucked her bk line. She has now stopped using Kalo as we are in the uk and it is a pain to get hold of.
We are both going to try something called bio depiless concentrate as it is easier for us to get hold of.
Also I have told her to come online and tell you her experiences and she is sick of me asking her so many questions.
Has anyone tried bio depiless con?
If so what did you think?
I have tried the body lotion but was a bit slack as it did not smell all that nice.

Thanks for the update, beauty therapist. Generally speaking, reports of success with products like Kalo are based on preliminary information. I am not aware of anyone who has reported a permanent result one year after final treatment.

I am not aware of anyone who has used Bio-depiless with success.

There's usually a REASON for the labelling of ingredients in products--i.e., because consumers can very well have allergic reactions to things, and so they should be able to see at a glance whether what they're allergic to happens to be in the product.

Which is why I'll never use anything that gets into this 'natural botanicals' or 'herbal extracts' hogwash. I want to know what it is. A truly superior product? Can survive even if an imitation is introduced into the market.

I find it amazing that this Tom fellow would claim a study.. and then come out and say that it wasn't double-blind? It's no wonder people didn't believe it. No study on the treatment of anything is effective unless it's double-blind. Otherwise, it's completely subjective.

It won't surprise me at all if some natural product is, at some point, proven to work as a hair inhibitor. Nature's produced some powerful stuff, after all. I do wish, though, that places like this wouldn't muddy the water.