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#6260 - 08/08/02 11:40 AM Longer term leg hair removal *****
Stuart Offline
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Hi Andrea & Members

Thanks for a good site.

I am a 32 year old guy, light complextion (blonde hair etc), and regularly shave my legs for sports cycling and comfort reasons. My only problem is that it is a bit of a pain in the neck, as I need to shave every 2 days or it gets really itchy. I tried Epil Stop, and boy was that a big mistake! I thought I would need a skin graft to recover! Can anyone suggest a better way of doing this so that I only have to remove the hairs say once a week? Despite my light hair colour, the hairs are pretty strong on my legs, and grow back fast. At the moment I use a Phillips 3 head electric razor.
PS(Andrea): Suggestion: your payment system does not recognise my country (South Africa) so I can't use your paid facility via my VISA card. Maybe ask them to include some more countries? Lastly I would like access to all the areas of your site, including "mature" sections. I saw some ID questions in the profile section when I registered, but I don't know what the abbreviations mean, as they are most likely US or Canadian based?? You will see from my registration info that I am 32, so if you have not already provided me access, please tell me what ID you require that I can provide.
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Stuart

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#6261 - 08/08/02 10:39 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart I suggest that you switch to a foil shaver. I recommend the Braun Synchro 7526. It will give you a closer shave than a rotary. Isn't the Philips the same as a Norelco? I tried a Norelco. It is a well-built shaver but it just does not shave as close as a foil shaver. I guarantee you will get a closer shave with the Braun.

The Braun will probably be faster too. Leg hair only grows in a few directions and in this case a foil shaver is more efficient as it reqires fewer strokes than a rotary, which must be used in a circular motion to be effective. Rotaries may be OK for beards, where hair grows in many directions. But I find that even with a beard, the Braun will still beat the best rotary hands down. I have tried just about every electric shaver, including the Panasonic Wet/Dry Linear model and the Braun is better than that too. The Braun is well built and will hold up very well
to leg shaving. It has a 2 year warranty.

You are the first person I have heard from that uses a rotary on their legs. How long does it take you to shave your legs with the Phillips? I can do mine with the Braun in about 20 minutes with results almost as good as a blade. If I'm in a hurry I can get an acceptable shave in 10 minutes. I work out with weights and prefer the looks and comfort of clean shaven legs. I have dark hair and don't like to have any stubble showing so I shave every day or two.

The only method, other than laser, that will last a week or more is waxing. I've never been waxed so I can't tell you much about that.

Depilatories and inhibitors will not give you the results you want. In my experience, depilatories like Epil Stop don't last any longer than shaving. I tried the Hair No More depilatory, a very strong one, and it did not do any better than shaving. And the hair on my legs is not that coarse either. I left it on longer than recommended and it made no difference. Fortuately, I don't get burns from them.

Depending on how much stubble your willing to put up with you can wait 2 or three days with the Braun. It has a long hair trimmer between the foils so you can shave a few days growth in one step with no problem.

One other thing you may want to try is a blade. If you do, try the Mach 3 Turbo. I said previously the Braun is almost as good as a blade, But the Turbo gives the absolute closest shave. Don't even bother trying any other blade. I find that it gives me an extra day before I have to shave again.

Hope this helps.

RJC2001

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#6262 - 08/09/02 01:44 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Thanks RJC2001

I will try the Braun foil razor as you suggest. Thanks for the advice and tips. It looks like razor shaving is probably my best answer for now, but maybe the Braun will make life a bit easier. As a matter of interest, shaving my legs with the rotary Phillips does not take too long (also about 20 minutes) provided I do it every 2 days maximum. I agree that the clean shaven look is better. A cycling friend of mine advised me to shave my legs about 6 months ago as wounds heal quicker and it is easier to apply antiseptic creams to abrasions without hair in the way. Since I started with the leg shaving I have found this is completely true. It also looks more sleek and athletic and shows muscle definition off best. Where I live it's pretty hot, and since I have been doing this I sleep better as my legs don't get all sweaty in bed. I don't know why all guys don't do this. I always wear shorts, except at work, and with clean shaven legs it's really comfortable.

Have you ever tried any of the rotary epilators and do they work?

Stuart

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#6263 - 08/09/02 05:35 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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No, I've never tried an epilator. It looks like it would take forever to use it. I was worried about ingrown hairs too. But from what I read on this site a lot of people like them. Braun is supposed to have a godd one.

I wear shorts all the time too, even at work. Being clean shaven is definitely more comfortable and makes muscles look bigger too. If guys realized how much more comfortable it is and the muscular definition it provides, more of them would shave their legs. I predict that will happen. I read somewhere that 30 of men already shave their chests and backs.

RJC2001

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#6264 - 08/09/02 07:00 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi! Epilators are what I think you should use. (In my humble opinion!) I think that's the best way to get the longer-term results you're looking for. They're a lot like electric shavers except instead of cutting the hair, they rip it out at the roots. It can be hard to get a totally FLAWLESS result. Usually, you have to be willing to put up with a few hairs that got missed. At least in my experience. But most of it comes up and it lasts quite a bit longer than shaving. I recommend it!

Except for one thing ... in my experience, women are tougher about epilating than men. [Smile] Every time I've seen a man try to use one, he's gone, "OUCH!!! THIS IS INSANE! IT HURTS!!!" And he's given up. What we can I say? Women are tougher! [Smile]

OK, OK, I'm just teasing.

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#6265 - 08/10/02 01:16 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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Hi Anonymous

I will see if I can borrow an epilator from one of my friends and try it on a smaller area first. Actually I had a good chuckle :)at your comment about men and epilators etc. I think women are naturally more "immune" to these things, as men shaving their legs is only more recently a socially accepted thing. We haven't been at it as long as women! In our defence I will say that men's hair is stronger and coarser than women's so it hurts more when you pull it out.
Anyway, for all the positive reasons listed by myself and RJC2001, I am going to carry on trying to find the most efficient way. Try it once guys and you will see the benefit! My girlfriend was quite surprised when she first saw me after I shaved my legs, but she soon told me I looked much more sexy as a result.

Good enough for me.
Stuart

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#6266 - 08/11/02 12:23 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Looks like you and I are engaged in a hair revolution, Stuart! [Smile] Because I just STOPPED shaving my legs and like you, was surprised that the opposite sex didn't seem to mind the change. My husband says my legs look just kind of soft and downy - not a turnoff at all. So ... I think I like this trend! You shave yours, and I'll stop shaving mine. [Smile] Deal?

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#6267 - 08/10/02 01:52 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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Hi Anonymous

Let the hair revolution continue...

Best Wishes
Stuart

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#6268 - 08/10/02 09:20 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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hey, im not saying anything against guys shaving their legs, but it all depends on where you live. where i live its more accepted to leave it, it's natural for guys to have hairy legs and if you shave them, well...you're considered kinda funny if ya get what i mean. i dont mind leg hair or people shaving it. i just wish mine wasnt so long. other than that its fine for me, and my girlfriend likes it as well. its all a matter of preference i guess. good luck to you who do it though.

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#6269 - 08/11/02 03:14 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Where I have worked over the years, there have been some men who would be considered "kinda funny." But they were all as hairy as bears. So the analogy does not hold.

Chest, back, and facial hair is also quite natural and by their logic should not be removed either.

RJC2001

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#6270 - 08/11/02 04:52 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Leg hair is sexy. [Smile]

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#6271 - 08/11/02 10:01 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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To Jon and Hannah

I agree leg hair can be sexy, and for about the last 20 years I have had hairy legs. Fortunatly I only have to wait about 3 weeks and I have hairy legs again. There is actually no issue here, it's like taking a jersey on or off. At the moment I prefer smooth legs for all the reasons above and I think I will stick with it, but I leave my chest hairy, as well as all the other areas. The guys who think clean shaven legs look effiminate or who think you are gay or strange, should try and say that to the All Blacks rugby team from New Zealand! Mosts sportsmen including rugby players, football, running, tennis and cycling shave their legs. Wounds and quick healing are mainly their motivation, but so is comforte for me. I live in a hot climate and it does make a difference. We have a very conservitive society and this sort of thing was completely unacceptable only a few years ago. Now, and quite quickly, much has changed - for the better. Around where I live some old boys of about 60+ have shaved their legs and are cycling for physical fitness.
I agree with RJC2001 that men will increasingly shave their bodies. I think it will suit personal circumstances. Arthur C. Clark predicted male depilatories as a major thing over 10 years ago!

Anyway we can all chose, and I chose smooth legs and a hairy chest.
Regards
Stuart

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#6272 - 08/12/02 02:55 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Wow, I'd really love to see how that looks though. I don't think I've ever seen it, but you should do what YOU want to do, and if your gf doesn't have a problem with it, then all the better.

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#6273 - 08/12/02 10:44 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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Hi Hannah
Thanks for your reponse.
I will try to find some time to send you some pictures of my shaved legs this week. No promises sorry, it's a bit busy and also nothing X rated. I think Andrea's private mail method is the best for this. Andrea can you let me know the easiest and best way to send some images to Hannah?

Regards
Stuart

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#6274 - 08/12/02 07:54 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hey Stuart, actually I didn't mean literally that you should send me the pics, although that's fine by me. I just meant that I'd never seen the hairy chest, shaved legs combo! So that's what I wanted to see. [Big Grin]

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#6275 - 08/13/02 06:00 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Good grief, pop out for a coffee and miss about a hundred posts!!!

Jon, if you don't like your leg hair long, but don't want to shave it off completely, have you considered a beard trimmer?

If you get one with an adjustable guage, you can adjust it to give just the effect you're looking for! And there's no danger you'll slip and take off more than you intended!

Toni

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#6276 - 08/13/02 10:13 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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To Hannah

OK, I won't send anything through now. Thanks for your replies, youv'e got a good sense of humor [Big Grin] ! Actually my chest is hairy, but not really hairy - any long hairs I just trim off. Summers coming here now and the shaved legs are more comfortable every day.

Regards
Stuart

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#6277 - 08/14/02 12:46 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Haha Stuart [Smile] You can still send me the pics though if you want my humble opinion! [Wink]

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#6278 - 08/15/02 12:12 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi Hannah

No problem, how does one send private e-mails here again? Sorry for asking what might seem obvious, but I know I saw someting about this and I can't remember how and there hasn't been time for me to look again. If you find out, post me a reply and we can send our private mails out without affecting the forum.

PS Andrea has got my private e-mail details, as I sent them to her for access to the mature topics section. Possibly she can send them to you.

Regards
Stuart

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#6279 - 08/16/02 12:54 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Andrea Administrator Offline
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Hey all!

There's a little email icon at the top of each post that lets you write privately to other members. As far as I know, I am unable to view these, but I've never tried to (and don't intend to).

I do not give out anyone's email or personal info under any circumstances.

I don't know if the board supports photos or not, but if anyone has photos they's like to share, I'm always happy to give them a home.

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#6280 - 08/15/02 02:14 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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I second Toni's suggestion to Jon re: using a clipper instead of completely shaving. I use a Wahl hair clipper with the 3/8" (#3) attachment for my legs, the 1/4" (#2) for my arms and the 1/2" (#4) everywhere else.

I am light skinned with dark brown hair so it doesn't look like I've completely shaved - I have hair, just not a thick growth. It looks very natural and feels great - I doubt anyone else would even notice the difference, but I do and I like it!

Also, you don't have to do it everyday and you don't get the itchies like you do with shaving... [Smile]

Patrick

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#6281 - 08/16/02 01:54 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Patrick

Your right about people not noticing. As you know I shave mine smooth, which is a step further. When I first started doing it I thought people would notice immediatly as I always wear shorts in my off time. Nobody even looked twice, and actually my family took 3 days before anybody even saw (my folks stay close to my house and we visit often). When I started looking around, I noticed how many guys here shave their legs and now I'm really comfortable with it.

For those who do shave I found a good tip for the itchy part. After shaving rub in a simple aqueous cream which you can get from any pharmacy. Don't worry about branding or anything, see if they have an "in house" cream like my pharmacy has. The pharmicist reccomended I try theirs, and now there is no itching at all and it is better for your skin. Its really cheap and over here you can get it in 1 liter tubs for about $1. I tried menthol and Camphor based creams, but they tended to make my legs feel greasy, and produced red irritated shaving bumps. Ask for a hypoallergenic aqueous cream. There is no greasy feel at all and the skin looks smoother and healthier.

Stuart

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#6282 - 08/16/02 08:24 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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I used to use clippers to trim the leg hair and it did give ok results. A friend of mine who was a competetive bodybuilder recommended that I just try going clean shaven. Well, I tried it and liked it. It is a lot more comfortable and it really makes my muscles look bigger. It's just like they say, once you go smooth you'll never want to go back.

I use Jergens Naturally Smooth shave minimizing moisturizer. Whether it will inhibit hair growth I don't know, but it is a good moisturizer, not too greasy and makes the skin feel smoother.

RJC2001

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#6283 - 08/29/02 02:42 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi

I am beginning to get leg hair removal under final control now (at least by shaving). Summer is coming here now, so humidity has increased and I have found applying moisturising cream evey time I shave also causes red bumps. Maybe the skin becomes to soft and the hairs are ingrown. Anyway every 3rd day works now for the cream. I tried other shavers, but none is any faster than my Phillips 3 head floating rotary. These electric razors are really good at contours (like the face), but are very good round the knees which I find the most time consuming. I would suggest others try this type of razor, even if the brand is called something else where you stay. This is not an advert, but just a suggestion for something that might help save time.

Stuart

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#6284 - 08/29/02 03:42 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Andrea Administrator Offline
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Thanks for the great tips, Stuart! [Smile]

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#6285 - 09/01/02 12:25 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
Stuart Offline
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Hi Andrea

It's a pleasure.

Thanks

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#6286 - 09/02/02 02:09 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart, since you are a rotary shaver fan, you may want to try the version that dispenses Nivea moistuizer as you shave. In the Norelco line it is called the Advantage. I'm note sure what Philips calls it. They may call it the Philishave. In climates with high humidity that may work better.

That's the one negative with electrics. The skin must be completely dry or you won't get a good shave at all. An exception would be a wet/dry electric like the Panasonic Linear or the Advantage. In a high humidity setting with no air conditioning, a blade will work much, much better. I always have the a/c on in warm weather so it is not usually a problem.

On bony or irregular areas, I find that a blade works best, it will bend and follow the contours of the
skin. The Braun does a respectable job on knees but the blade is better. The Braun is close enough to a good blade though that the convenience makes it preferable. Having to mess around with shaving lotions and gels is a minus of using a blade. I find the time element to be about the same between a blade and the Braun. If you only make one pass over an area the Braun would be quicker but you may miss some hairs. With a rotary, I would think several passes would be required to clear an area.

One thing the Braun and Norelco/ Philips have in commen is that the foils and rotary heads are much more durable than on other brands. That lowers the long term cost considerably.

RJC2001

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#6287 - 09/02/02 02:18 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi RJC

Once again thanks for your tips. I can't find any electric brand here that dispenses a shaving product while shaving. I did try a blade, but unfortunatnaly I ended up nicking and cutting myself quite a bit. I don't have the dexterity women have here, so I gave up blades and stuck to electric razors. The Phillips rotary is fast on the knees and face which I tend to do first. The "bony" areas which I assume are the shins, are quite quick with my razor as a result of the floating action of the heads. I have tried and accepted one of your suggestions to shave daily to avoid stubble. This has also made things faster. Please let me know if anything you find helps make things easier.

Stuart

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#6288 - 09/02/02 07:51 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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You're welcome.

RJC2001

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#6289 - 09/03/02 04:05 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Just a quick comment: Norelco is a divison of Philips. As RJC2001 points out, the Norelco Advantage line has lotion-dispensing razors.

I'm not aware of any razors marketed under the Philips brand name with lotion dispensing.

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#6290 - 09/04/02 12:06 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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There a Philips version as well. It's called Cool Skin and it's availible with 2 or 3 shaver heads. An example is found at: http://www2.consumer.philips.com/global/b2c/dap/catalog/subcategory.jhtml?divId=1&groupId=HisBody&catId=CoolSkin&subCatId=CoolSkin3HeadShavers

Happy shaving !
...and enjoy the summer, ours is ending now [Frown]

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#6291 - 09/03/02 09:43 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Thanks for that report, DKGirl! HairTell readers cover all the bases! [Big Grin]

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#6292 - 09/04/02 10:55 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi

One more thing - It's good to keep up the shaving if you use an electric razor. As they say in their manuals, the skin can take several weeks to get used to the action of the razor. I kept up all winter, even though not every day, and now I can see the benefit [Smile] . Most of my (male) friends that shave for sports reasons, are suffering from bumps, cuts and everything else. I am fine and concentrating on a good tan on my legs and chest. Stopping and starting does not really work, so I would reccomend to the guys to stay with it as long as you chose, without interruption.

Regards
Stuart

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#6293 - 09/04/02 10:45 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Very true, Stuart. Every razor, whether electric or manual, requires a time for the skin to get acclimated.

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#6294 - 09/12/02 10:35 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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One friend of mine (A guy), recently started a program of home hair removal. He is burning off hairs (leg)using a thermal device similar to a soldering iron (ouch). The claims from the manufacturer are that the high intensity heat is identical to laser. He now has horrible lesions on the legs and white spots where the hair is gone. Is this in any way similar to laser? I have seen some pics from another member showing bad laser burns similar to these. I would also tolerate the pain and lesions if I am sure there would be no permanent scarring from this method. Is thermal removal a feasable option? From what I have seen I don't think I would do this right now, but laser is also a possible problem. Does laser leave small white spots permanently? For now shaving still seems best for me (and safe)! I would appreciate any informed input here.
Thanks
Stuart

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#6295 - 09/12/02 09:13 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Laser would definitely fall into the category of "don't try this at home." Also, laser does not work on light colored hair, at least with present technology.

RJC2001

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#6296 - 09/14/02 12:21 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi RJC

I agree. Also I think from what I have seen with the "thermal" technique people should avoid this. Mark (my friend who tried this) has had to see a doctor as a result of the scars becoming septic. He has quite dark hair and I said he should see a good laser consultant and rather spend his money wisely than with rubbish kit like the thermal device (his wife agreed with this for sure!). I will still stay with shaving, as it costs almost nothing, is pain free and once you have found the right razor is very quick anyway.

Stuart

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#6297 - 09/14/02 07:59 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart, devices like the one your friend has described are illegal for home use here. I'd agree that it's important to be careful with any device capable of causing burns-- I'd tell him to go to a pro.

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#6298 - 09/14/02 10:29 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart, I agree. To my way of thinking laser (maybe IPL), shaving and electrolysis are the best hair removal methods. Waxing and epilators would be OK but I would be worried about ingrown hairs. That depends on the inidividual though.

Laser is probably the most practical method for long-term leg hair removal, but even that would take a long time. I would bet that it would take more than one treatment session to do the entire legs once unless a couple of hours could be reserved.

I'll stick with shaving for now unless they can come up with a faster, cheaper laser. Right now it would just take too much time and be too expensive. The rates for Lightsheer laser treatment went up significantly this summer.

RJC2001

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#6299 - 09/15/02 09:22 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi Andrea and RJC

Thanks for your replies- I also think Mark was nuts doing what he did, but again cost always is an issue and people all over the place will do things to save money. As a matter of interest I would like to ask how much lazer for full legs costs in the US. I got a local quote from a good proffessional clinic recently for the equivilent of US$ 350.00 per session. Does this compare internationally??

Regards
Stuart

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#6300 - 09/15/02 06:24 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart, that is very reasonable compared to costs here.

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#6301 - 09/15/02 07:51 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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It's definitely more expensive to get the legs done in the US. From what I've seen prices start at about $2000. Andrea has a post on typical prices in the laser section.

RJC2001

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#6302 - 09/17/02 12:32 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi Andrea and RJC.

It looks like the same story regarding buying parity between us and the US. We are at about R 10.50 to 1 US$. My quote was R 3500.00 per session. This was from a good private clinic situated next to a good private hospital. We have always had excellent medical facilities here since the first heart transplant done, so I suppose this has something to do with costs. Maybe come across and have all the stuff done cheaper?? By the way Mark is recovering well and with some antibiotics he should soon be back on line (his wife trashed the soldering iron type device). [Smile] I have now got a great suntan on my shaved legs and despite the hot weather there are no night sweats- guys go for it, you won't regret a thing!

Good Luck
Stuart

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#6303 - 09/18/02 01:40 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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I second that.

RJC 2001

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#6304 - 09/18/02 01:28 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi All,
I have read all your posting with interest.

I have been shaving my chest/stomach and arms for the past few months (and definitly prefer the smoother look), but as I am really hairy, I get stubble daily (sometimes I notice and feel stubble every 12 hours!!!! [Mad] ) I use a Norelco if I am in a hurry and the Mach3 for a closer shave, but it takes FOREVER [Roll Eyes]

I would love to remove the hair from my legs but I may as well camp out in the bathroom if I did that!!!! [Eek!]

Is the foil-type machines really better than the Norelco? Any particular brand/model that is better than most?

Thanks and regards

PS. Stuart, it is nice to hear from another South African.Maybe the next time I go back for a visit, I may just get my hair laser'd there ($350 is MUCH cheaper than here in NYC. I was charged $600 to just do my back/shoulders)...

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#6305 - 09/18/02 10:59 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi HairyGymRat

I hope life is treating you well in NYC. I was last there in 1998. As you say don't bother camping out in the bathroom with a razor, it sounds like you could really benefit from permanent hair removal. Given the prices for lazer in the US above it's probably well worth a holiday here again and a couple of lazer sessions locally. Have a look at the site for the Mayo clinic in florida (this is a suburb on the south western side of Johannesburg, not the US state for those not familier). They do the whole range from knees, lower and upper legs, feet and full. I can't recall the URL offhand, but just do a search on ananzi.co.za and they should pop up. They also offer online quotations.

All the best.
Stuart

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#6306 - 09/19/02 02:19 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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South Africans with hair problems? Ag, no man! [Wink]

Foil razors won't get as close, but they are safer as far as cuts. Some get more irritation from them, though , especially of you don't keep them clean.

For a big area like legs, laser beats razor if you have light skin and dark hair. I know a lot of fitness types and South Africans like their sun, so be super careful about tanning before and after laser!

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#6307 - 09/19/02 09:15 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Foil or rotary razor is a matter of personal preference. You should try each and decide for yourself. I prefer the Braun Synchro 7526. It's a foil razor available at Wal Mart for about $129 and worth every penny. I feel that a foil razor shaves closer than a rotary, and the Braun is the best! The Braun foil can stand up to body shaving much better than a Remington or Panasonic foils do. The Braun is also self cleaning you put it in the included cleaning stand press the button and it takes care of the rest.

The Norelco is the best rotary and it is worth a try too. You can always return them if you are not satisfied. Both Braun and Norelco have 30 day money back guarantees. If you return an electric razor they send it back to the manufacturer so you don't have to worry about buying a used one.

While nothing shaves as close as a Mach 3 Turbo, I believe that the Braun comes the closest. If you haven't tried the Mach 3 Turbo version I recommend that you try it. IMHO it is significantly better than the Mach3 which was also a great razor.

Laser is still the best option if you have light skin and dark hair. $600 for the back and shoulders is not bad. Even if laser doesn't remove all the hair you will find that it makes the results from shaving much more satisfactory. I have had my back, chest, shoulders and upper arms treated with laser and about 90% of my chest and back hair is gone. I can now shave my chest and abs in about 5 minutes.

RJC2001

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#6308 - 09/20/02 06:54 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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I went out and bought the Braun 7570 (top of the line). Cost quite a bit of money ($175 but got 20% discout so paid $155). [Roll Eyes] Tried it for the first time last night. Not bad. I had no irritation on my skin but it will take some getting used to compared to my Norelco. My chest does feel rather smooth. I also like the self cleaning gizmo as well. [Smile]

Laser removal is not a viable option right now.I had 2 back and sholder treatments at $600 each and as far as I can tell, there is no reduction in the amount of hair. I would love to have my whole body laser'd but that would cost 000's as I would have to have multiple treatments (and there would still be no guarantee that I would end up with a hair-free body). Will have to wait 'til I win the lottery for that. [Frown] So for now it is shaving. So I will have to think about my legs.I just don't have an hour a day to remove body hair!!!! [Roll Eyes]

I did have my back waxed (twice). They have 'pain free' wax now (which means it is not free of pain but is less irritating to the skin). It was not too bad, just hot and pulling out short hairs was ouch! [Eek!] Was charged $45 per treatment. I did NOT want to try waxing other parts of my body. I think it would be too painfull.
Thanks and regards

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#6309 - 09/20/02 09:58 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Thanks for the report, HairyGymRat! It often takes a few weeks for your skin to acclimate to a new razor, so I hope you'll continue to update us on your progress! [Smile]

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#6310 - 09/20/02 05:05 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi Andrea & HairyGymRat

(Andrea) A bit off the topic, but it sounds like you know SA. (Jislike!, al die pad van Amerika af!) [Wink] Have you been here before or maybe met a lot of people from SA?

Anyway for HairyGymRat, you probably have seen the conversation here between RJC and myself and some others regarding leg shaving. With a lot of hair, I would suggest you only concentrate on the areas that you most want to remove the hair from. For my sports activities, personal comfort and appearance, I shave my legs. This helps to heal injuries when I fall off my bike (not very often!). Also it gives me a good athletic look, and an even suntan in summer (Andrea was right, we do like sun here, as you know). Shaving regularly will save you time, whichever razor you use. I have tried trimming my chest etc. but I don't give this much attention as it is not to much of a problem. I also don't spend too much time on other hair removal, so (I think), try the important areas first that most affect you and shave these areas regularly. Lots of lazer can then be applied when you have time and are ready, but shaving is still safe and cost effective.
Regards
Stuart

[ September 22, 2002, 05:54 AM: Message edited by: Stuart ]

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#6311 - 09/24/02 12:14 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Me again.
Just a quick update on my new razor - I have been using it for a few days now and so far so good. Did have a bit of skin irritation on my upper chest for some reason. My skin might not have been bone dry when I shaved, so that could be the reason.
I also have a question for those who have used an electric razor - I notice that when I shave say my arm, it feels pretty smooth for a couple of hours but then when I run my hand over that area a few hours later, I notice a bit of stubble (I know my hair grows fast, but this is way to fast [Roll Eyes] ). Is it possible that some of the hairs that are too small for the razor and not been cut but instead are been 'flattened down', so that immediately after the shave it feels smooth, but once they 'recover', it feels stubbly? I try and shave in every direction to make sure that I get each and every hair...

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#6312 - 09/24/02 12:00 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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To HairyGymRat

Actually I don't think the stubble problem on your arms is unusual. I use an electric rotary on my legs and within a few hours the stubble can be clearly felt even with taking a lot of care. It only becomes visible the next day though. To keep the smooth skin feel a bit longer you can try what is reccomended from the manufacturer of my razor. The trick is after you have shaved to then run over the area again while pulling the skin tight in that area. This makes the small hair follicles stand upright and allows the razor to shave the last bits of. Apparently the hair then retracts slightly below the skin for a completely smooth shave. One drawback is that you can get red razor bumps by doing this unless your skin is well used to the razor.

Hope this helps.
Stuart

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#6313 - 09/24/02 03:56 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Also remember not to press too hard with the razor. That too would flatten the hairs rather than leting them enter the razor.

RJC2001

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#6314 - 10/03/02 01:05 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Hi Again

A product branded here as VEET is getting a lot of coverage and acceptance. A lot of guys are also using this now. I haven't checked everything on the forum to see if this has been covered before, but I would like to see if anyone has some real experiance with this product. The Ad's all show a woman shaving one leg and using VEET on the other. VEET is supposed to reduce hair regrowth dramatically. Does this brand have any benefit over stuff like Epil Stop etc.?

Stuart

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#6315 - 10/03/02 08:00 PM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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Stuart, there's a thread or two in the depilatories section on VEET. Use the Search feature at the top if you can't find it there. [Smile]

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#6316 - 10/04/02 07:29 AM Re: Longer term leg hair removal
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VEET has been availible here for many years and I used it for a while some time ago. It's a depilatory like any other and comes in many different versions. The result won't last as long as shaving with a good razor, but the stubble won't be as coarse and I feel I got fewer ingrowns in the bikiniarea. Lately it has gotten a lot of bad press over here because of reports of people getting burnt using it. So (as with any other depilatory) do a test first and be extremely cautious about sensitive areas.

Also there have been reports of the product causing discoloration of furniture and painted surfaces as doors and floors. One consumer ended up with permanent pink footsteps on her white bathroom floor [Eek!] . We didn't use to hear a lot of that before they introduced the spray version, so take ekstra care if you're spraying it on !

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#6317 - 10/04/02 07:06 PM R