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#61530 - 04/17/09 08:25 AM kaiser won't give me letter for mole electrolysis
candela Offline
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What can I do? My electrologist told me she won't be able to remove hairs from my mole unless I get a letter from a doctor approving it. I called and sent a message to my doctor asking for a letter, and her office called me back and said that my doctor refused as it's against Kaiser policy.

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#61537 - 04/17/09 12:51 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electrolysis [Re: candela]
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Both your doctor and your electrolysist are playing "The I am not going to be lawfully liable game." This is what Lawyers have done to the world.

Treating hair in moles usually causes the moles to reduce in size, or disappear entirely. There is a slight possibility that the mole is cancerous, and that the introduction of the treatment would cause the cancer to spread faster than it would otherwise. This is the one in a million probability that everyone is trying to avoid.

I can only say that if you work with your electrolysis provider long enough that she doesn't believe that you are out to find an excuse to sue her to recover all the money you have spent with her, she may remove those mole hairs some day, if you let her know that you are also not adverse to the idea that the mole may lose both size and color as a result of the treatments.
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#63046 - 06/03/09 04:04 AM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electrolysis [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Thanks for the explanation. I ended up calling different electrologists in my area and found one who does do moles because she's from a medical background and feels comfortable telling healthy from cancerous moles.

I went in for a consult today and she had a hard time getting the hairs out. She tried to get two thick coarse black hairs out but finally said that she was afraid to zap them anymore and was just going to pull them out and see what was going on with them. A third was was finer and she said she got that one out successfully. She said there was some lymph fluid coming out from where she zapped the 2 thick hairs but said it won't scar as long as I don't pick at it.

I'm worried because from what she says, she seems knowledgable, but she's old and her hands seem kind of shaky to me (when I was watching her work on my foot). And the only online review I found says that one of the two electrologists there left the reviewer with a bunch of scabs. Also, I'm getting my feet and nipples done there too since it seemed stupid to pay $20/10 min. just for my mole. On the test hairs she kept saying that they were old and would have fallen out in a few days. (It's been 2-3 months since I last plucked/threaded). The earliest appointment I could make was this Saturday. Are these hairs too old to kill? She said that all the hairs she removed were permanently killed and would never come back.

Thanks so much for any advice. On the plus side, she said I would only have to come in every 6-8 weeks, so that saves money, although she said I would finish faster if I came in every month. Is that because hairs are more likely to be killed when they're younger?

Oh and she also says that probes weren't even required to be sterilized until recently because the electricity kills viruses (she provides disposible probes upon request).

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#63053 - 06/03/09 12:56 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electrolysis [Re: candela]
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ARE THERE OTHER ELECTROLOGISTS IN YOUR AREA?

Your last sentence scares me.

Shakey hands? Not good. Electrologists perform microsurgery.

No electrologist can say for sure that the hairs they treated in a session have been permanently eliminated. We see clues that this may be true, but only time will tell if all the hair germ cells have been affected.

For mole hair, I do need a prescription from my clients under Ohio law. It is not a problem to obtain one. I don't know what Kaiser is thinking about or if what you were told is even the truth or just a blow off. I use Blend electrolysis for these deep, sturdy hairs, in most cases, and it works great, but recently have adopted a new thermolysis modality that works just as good (Synchro on the Apilus Platinum.

A modern electrologiost that continues her/his education is what you should seriously consider. Hopefully, you will find one.

Redundant Hint of the day: YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK OUT OTHER
ELECTROLOGISTS IN YOUR AREA.

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#63059 - 06/03/09 05:12 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: candela]
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Originally Posted By: candela


Oh and she also says that probes weren't even required to be sterilized until recently because the electricity kills viruses (she provides disposible probes upon request).


Be SURE to to always request and WATCH her open the new needle, if you go back to her. She is wrong about the electricity killing germs. It's hot, but it ain't THAT hot!

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#63060 - 06/03/09 06:04 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: Choice]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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It's not even hot.

When you shoot the probe into the air, there is nothing heating up around it. Furthermore, even in the follicle, it is the surrounding tissue that is heating up, NOT the probe. Any heat the probe attains is from absorbed heat from the surrounding tissue, not the other way around.

This heat the probe absorbs is also happening and dissipating in fractions of a second. Sterilization requires more than an hour of sustained heat, unless added pressure and a vacuum seal is employed.

I always tell clients in my consultation that people who tell you to take your probe home and bring it back, or that they will set your probe aside and reuse it on you are just like you going to a restaurant and the waiter coming over at the end of your meal and saying, "Would you lick that spoon off really good for me? Now, you are the only one who has used this spoon, so I am going to put it in this zip lock bag, and next time when you come back, we will just open it up and you can use it again."

Get the point.

Now don't get me wrong, it is perfectly possible to resterilize probes that have been designed to be permanent. However, since you can't see that process happening (as it takes a long time) use of disposable probes just leaves one less thing you have to trust your practitioner to do. IF YOU HAVE A RARE PRACTITIONER WHO USES PERMANENT PROBES AND RESTERILIZES THEM IN AN AUTOCLAVE OR DRY HEAT STERILIZER, THAT IS GREAT... if you are sure that you can trust that person not to cut corners.
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#63066 - 06/03/09 06:54 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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I would recommend for you to check out 3-4 electrologists before you settle on any one. Hopefully you can find others to treat the mole since this one doesn't sound amazing in terms of experience.

Do you know what machine she is using and what method of electrolysis? That's important. Scabbing is not necessarily bad unless the scabs don't fall off within a few days and they electrologist refuses to adjust the settings to try to minimize them next time.

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#63081 - 06/03/09 11:59 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: LAgirl]
candela Offline
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Thanks everyone for your replies.

She uses a Clareblend, and does both blend and thermolysis. She tried both on me and asked which one hurt less, and I told her the 2nd one, but I don't know which method that was.

I wish my regular electrologist would treat the mole since she is really good and fast. I guess I could ask her if she's ever had a client who was able to get a letter from Kaiser to see if the whole "against policy" thing is true.

Also, my regular electrologist is a CPE, and this one is an "RE"--registered electrologist?

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#63084 - 06/04/09 01:55 AM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: candela]
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Blend is slower and you usually hold a metal rod.

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#63097 - 06/04/09 11:54 PM Re: kaiser won't give me letter for mole electroly [Re: LAgirl]
candela Offline
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I think she used blend then, and my regular electrologist must, too, because she always puts the rod on my neck.

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