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#64596 - 07/31/09 07:43 PM Need Help!
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I'm a 19 year old girl who has suffered from facial hair since age 12 on the upper lip and chin and a small patch on the neck. Soon, I will be going to have my hormones tested to see if there is an underlying condition- and if not, I am thinking of going ahead with electrolysis. Most of the women in my family are hairy, however they have all been able to conceive just fine, have regular periods, are not overweight, etc.- just the same as me, which is why I'm not sure it's a hormonal problem and maybe just genetic. For the past few years this hair has been consuming my time, efforts, and giving me a terrible self esteem although it is "not that noticeable" to anyone but me. I just want to be rid of it.

I've been waxing/tweezing for the past few years, and all of the hair on my face is fine hair- blond, to light brown, to dark. Most of it is lighter, but there are a few really dark hairs which I would be most concerned about getting rid of first. I am a college student so working electrolysis into my schedule would be difficult, but a challenge I am willing to take on... my questions are: is it obvious that the process is being done? ie. is there any way to avoid irritation/redness when going in for weekly treatments? I have sensitive skin so I am very concerned about this. Secondly, for the areas I have mentioned- does anyone have an average time frame it would take to clear them? Again, I don't have anything close to a full grown man's facial hair- maybe, at best, the facial hair of a boy just entering puberty, the peach fuzz type. I have heard it may take 9-12 months, and that is a commitment I am willing to make if the results will last. . Does hair ever grow back with electrolysis? What about scarring? I have been searching for electrologysts around my area and found one but cannot find any reviews. I am very concerned about getting an experienced practitioner who will get the job done in as little time as possible and with no damage to the skin so I am wary about going to a practice with no reviews I can find. Has anyone had electrolysis in the pittsburgh area and could recommend a place? Thank you so much for your time and your help with this.. I'm dreaming of the day I can wake up in the morning and not immediately pull out the tweezers, when I can feel comfortable in the sun again and take long trips without worrying about this CONSTANTLY..

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Also, I forgot to ask- can makeup be worn after getting an electrolysis treatment- concealer , etc.?


Edited by Natalie1008 (07/31/09 07:46 PM)

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#64598 - 07/31/09 07:50 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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- Hormonal conditions are hereditary too. So it could be both. Doesn't hurt to get tested

- You can get electrolysis regardless of the outcome of the tests. If you do have an issue, you can just get a touchup once in a while later in life for any NEW hair that develops due to this condition.

- It will take abotu 12 months to complete treatments after your first clearance. You'll probably go once a week or so at first and then slow down to once every 2 or 3 weeks. It won't take that much of your time overall.

- The hair doesn't grow back once the follicle is disables with electrolysis. But your body can develop NEW hair, so you may need a touchup, especially since you're only 19 and you'll be developing more hair into your late 20s.

- Where are you located? Maybe we can recommend someone. Also, check out the tips we give for finding electrologists in your area. Get sample treatments and see how your skin reacts. Settings can also be adjusted to make sure there are no side effects.

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#64601 - 07/31/09 08:36 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: LAgirl]
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I'd just like to add one thing. Women can develop new facial hair all their lives. Not just in their 20's. In my 20's I may have had 3 on my chin, 0 lip. Now in my 40's I'm following in my mother and my grandmother's, whiskers on my chinny chin chin (and now lip), footsteps. I'm so not looking forward to menopause!

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#64603 - 07/31/09 09:07 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Choice]
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I am located in the pittsburgh area (around carnegie mellon/living in squirrel hill) I found one place that is called yahr electrolysis.. it says they use a "Computerized Blend Method" and pre sterilized disposable filaments.

so, would it be better to wait until later, when MOST of the hair i'm going to grow will be there? I don't mind a few stray hairs that can be easily taken care of, I just want to get rid of the bulk of it for now and not have to worry about constant upkeep. touchups are ok .. Cost is not an issue, I work two jobs and have saved up a lot of money - I just don't want it to be a waste. of course, working the procedure into my schedule when I have classes and work will be difficult- how long after it's done does redness usually last? .. would I be able to have it done and go onto class or work within the hour without it being noticeable? then again, if it's a little noticeable or can be covered up I don't mind so much so long as the hair is going away!!! Thinking about the future, if I'm going to do this- this year would be the best time as I will be going abroad next year which might make it difficult so I think this might be the best time, I don't want to let this run my life anymore.

also, I've read so many conflicting reports.. waxing/tweezing? does it actually INCREASE hair growth? I've been doing it for years, I feel like my growth hasn't changed much at all- it's just that i've become more concerned/attentive to it. And laser, I've looked into this too, but it is not recommended for fine hair right? The last thing I want is stimulated hair growth, there is not a risk of this with electrolysis is there? Thank you so much for answering my questions this is such a great forum, and if you can provide and referrals for the pittsburgh area that would be amazing!!

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#64628 - 08/01/09 10:49 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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It is best if you get as clear as you can NOW, as it will be easier to maintain a clear face if you need only remove the few hairs that are coming in as time goes by.
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#64650 - 08/03/09 07:36 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Thank you for your reply !

The place I am looking into uses computerized blend method.. I called and asked about pricing.. they said "95 dollars per hour" .. is this a reasonable price for electrolysis? I asked about magnification, they said they use surgical loupes and that the blend method is gentler on skin and less likely to cause side effects like scabbing etc. . is this true?

I am going in for a free consultation soon but just wanted to see if all this sounded OK so far.

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#64653 - 08/03/09 10:47 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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For a place like Pittsburgh anything under $100 is a bargain!

Surgical loupes are better than circle lamps. I would hope that their lighting is halogen, and better yet, delivered via fiber optics, but good work can be had without that.

Scabbing has more to do with skill than modality, and one can have scabbing with blend, thermolysis and galvanic, for that matter. Body work tends to scab more than facial work though.
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#64677 - 08/04/09 08:27 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Is there any kind of average for how long these areas take? Like for my upper lip, chin, and a bit of the neck .. would it take more than 30 hours for all of those? I'll go to the consultation and get an estimate, the hair is sparse and fine on the neck and a little on the sides of my face so I wouldn't mind if they just "thinned" it as opposed to completely clearing in those areas, since it would still look natural... I don't want to spend any more money than I have to.

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#64683 - 08/05/09 12:22 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Time it takes depends on many variables, however most clients are finished with in 9-12 months. Severe hair cases can take as much as 18-24 months to complete.
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#64687 - 08/05/09 06:41 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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Thanks for all your answers and support. I find, now that I'm closer to actually taking the steps to going through with this- I'M SO SCARED! I find it so hard to talk about my facial hair.. jeez, I haven't talked about it to ANYONE about it- EVER- actually, and I think I do a pretty good job at "taking care of it" so that no one would even know I had a problem.. that's a lot of work though, and terrible because I still feel like people are staring anyway, even though I have to get about a centimeter away from the mirror in bright sunlight to see little, short hairs growing in that I've tweeze.. I leave the are under my chin untouched since it's all blond and fine, as well as my sideburn area.. and my chin I left untouched for many years until recently.. So I think getting this done now- before I make the problem worse with further tweezing would help, right? But I'm so scared to actually admit this problem to anyone.. let alone go in, show my face, and talk about it openly. I know, i'm sure electrologists deal with it all the time- I just can't believe I'm so worried about it! It's been a secret of mine for so long i've just been mortified of revealing it.

agh! also.. still no answer, how soon after treatment is it ok to wear makeup? what about working out? (assuming, that is, that I can stop being so self conscious and actually make myself go in and get this treatment started!!!)

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#64688 - 08/05/09 06:50 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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You may wear make-up and work-out 24 hours after the treatment is done.
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#64690 - 08/05/09 07:36 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Ok great.. I thought it might be helpful to post some pictures...i'm sorry to be asking so many questions

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu66/natalie1008/IMG_5202.jpg
http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu66/natalie1008/IMG_5203.jpg
http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu66/natalie1008/IMG_5208.jpg

the hair on the side of my face as i said i have never removed..the picture of my chin (sorry about the acne! blech) is a a days growth.. looks like stubble but would get longer like the hair on the sides of the face.. and the part of the upper lip there is not substantial growth at all but I'm thinking of forcing myself to leave it a few days jsut so see how much there is ... the upper lip is where most of the dark hairs are concentrated for me..

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#64695 - 08/05/09 12:26 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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For these hair structures, be sure to find an electrologist that is comfortable doing longer appointments and who has a great vision aid. Surgical loupes in conjunction with a good light source, like a halogen or LED light, will allow her/him to see those light hairs. You will need several thinnings over 9-12 months. The faster forms of thermolysis will speed this along. Modalities like MicroFlash or PicoFlash thermolysis are awesome. I don't know what other manufacturer's call their modalities that are 1/1000 flashes. Maybe other electrologists reading here can fill us in. PicoFlash (1/10,000) is the domain of the Apilus Platinum or Pure to date. Anyway - speed is an important factor to consider for this amount of hair, but other approaches/strategies will work as well. We electrologists are all different.

I personally do not see a complicated case, get a good electrologist and launch your project. You'll be happy in the end.



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#64699 - 08/05/09 04:25 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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It seems to me like you have very little hair. Have you been shaving until recently? Or how long do you pluck everyday? I am treating my whole face but I have dark hair and a bunch of coarse hairs on my upper lip and chin from plucking. It seems to be manageable with an hour of electrolysis a week although more would be ideal to get cleared faster. I have never had a full clearance of all the hairs I want to remove on my face yet. But you have less hair so you would probably require less hours.

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#64728 - 08/06/09 04:42 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: candela]
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I have been plucking/waxing. I wax my upper lip which stays clear for close to two weeks and use a product called epicare which plucks out multiple hairs at once for my chin.. There are maybe 9 or 10 hairs on my chin that grow out dark but, once plucked, the dark hairs usually stay away for at least a week.

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#64729 - 08/06/09 04:47 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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So, would you be able to give an estimate for how much time would be needed.. I was thinking 1hr per week to start out , would that be enough to get a first clearance within 3 months? The electrologist I found uses the blend method but seems to have sufficient magnification (surgical loupes).. can machines that do blend also perform thermolysis? of course, I will want the method that the electrologist is most comfortable with I think.

Also, thank you for the name of the electrologist you provided on the other post. She seems great! I am trying to work out if I will be able to go to her, but unfortunately I am a student (without a car) and public transportation would be about an 1 hour each way so I'm not sure if I will be able to work it into my schedule.

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#64730 - 08/06/09 05:19 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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If their machine can do blend, it can do thermolysis. Depending on her equipment, she may be able to offer newer, faster forms of thermolysis (flash, microflash or picoflash) which are faster.


Edited by VickieCNY (08/06/09 05:19 AM)

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#64734 - 08/06/09 09:25 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: VickieCNY]
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also another question- would it be more time/cost efficient to start and focus only on some areas first (ie. the upper lip and chin) instead of treating all the areas at once?

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#64736 - 08/06/09 12:40 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Yes. Once an area is fully cleared, you can move on to the next area. Keep every area that is fully cleared, MAINTAINED. In other words, everytime you go to your regularly scheduled session, the electrologist should go over the cleared area and get any NEW GROWTH that is coming forth. If you are a hard core tweezer, you should be seeing your electrologist once every 1-2 weeks for about 12 weeks to catch that new growth so you are not tempted to take up tweezing again! You can't tweeze ANYMORE while having electrolysis or you are wasting your money!


Concerning one of your statements above, hair that was removed by tweezing last week does not grow back in a week. The hair you are seeing on your chin is hair that was tweezed 8 weeks ago and is cycling through once again. ELectrolysis cuts off the nutrition supply that a follicle needs to keep hair growing. That is why electrolysis is superior in comparison to all other attempts to permanently remove hair. Laser works well for obtaining a certain percentage of reduction for certain hair structures for dark hair, but electrolysis will disable any hair structure, any color of hair on any color of skin.

Almost every client I treat comes comes for one or two facial areas, ususally the lip and chin, and then they get addicted, so to speak. After these are areas are cleared, they ask if we can start another area. Soon we are working on five areas in one sessions. Just stay focused on the area that bothers you the most and move forward to the next area when appropriath. THe words for the day are CLEAR and MAINTAIN.... CLEAR and MAINTAIN......CLEAR and MAINTAIN until there is nothing to clear and maintain. This has always been a good plan for removing hair. Eventually, you will run out of bothersome follicles, meaning, your finished! Mother Nature then dictates whether you will develop new hairs as you age, so don't throw away your electrologist's contact information! You may need some quick cleanups later on.

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#64746 - 08/06/09 04:36 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Then you are probably nowhere near as bad as me. I had at least a couple of coarse dark hairs come out of my chin everyday.

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#64796 - 08/09/09 06:20 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: candela]
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Thank you so much! This is very encouraging .. I think I will start with my upper lip and chin/underchin since they bother me the most.. The hair on the sides of my face is not my biggest worry... I haven't even started and I'm already looking forward to that "first clearance"! I'm setting up a consultation for the end of the august.. I'm sure i'll definitely be around to ask more questions/report on how it's going!

For aftercare.. Witch hazel and tea tree oil is what I've gathered from this forum? I already use witch hazel every day.. is tea tree oil just for at night?

If I end up using this electrologist, they are most comfortable with blend method so I think I will stick with that as opposed to having them do thermolysis which they are not as familiar with and risk a botched job..is there an average number of hairs that can be cleared per session with blend?

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#64797 - 08/09/09 06:21 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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oh also, generally, how long before the first removal session should one stop plucking/waxing and switch to shaving?

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#64799 - 08/09/09 01:57 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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You can stop waxing/tweezing now. The sooner the better. Switch to shaving. Most of my female clients prefer using an electric shaver.

Regarding the tea tree oil, yes, use it at bedtime and remember to use dabs. Use a cotton swab, not your fingers, to get small amounts on specific areas where you were treated. If you use too much, then your skin will dry out and get red. My clients swear by it and the ones who don't like it probably used it incorrectly.

Blend is a highly respected, so don't fret over that part. It is always about the human being performing the process that matters. There are distinct advantages though among the different electrolysis modalities. It is like driving to your destination point - you can go locally or you can get on the expressway, but you will still get there in the end.

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#64960 - 08/15/09 06:27 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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ahhh I haven't even started yet and already I'm feeling frustrated ..

I was looking at myself in the car mirror today and I realized how much hair there actually is all OVER my face.. even a few underneath my eyes (dark ones) and peach fuzz all over my cheeks that seems a bit longer than average.. am I just obsessing? I just feel like theres SO much that if I want to get rid of all of it I'll be in this for years!!! I said money wasn't an issue.. which is true to a certain extent, I don't want to be spending upwards of 4000 for all of it. I don't know. I just wish I could see other people's views of me.. they can't possible see all this, can they? yeah, it's true, in order to see the hair on my cheeks and under my chin, I have to practically touch the bathroom mirror with my nose and bend to a certain angle .. and yet it still bothers me and I feel like everyone can see it!! I just wish I could stop obsessing.. I want to get the upper lip chin and neck started on first because they bother me most but I feel like once that's done with I'll be freaking out over the fuzz on my cheeks and sideburns.. ugh. . I hate this

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#64964 - 08/15/09 01:37 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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At the risk of being accused of being "insensitive" again, I will tell you that no one other than you is scrutinizing your looks to the extent that you describe in order to see imperfections and take note of them. They are too busy hoping that you don't notice theirs grin

The rule of thumb is don't worry about anything that can't be seen in the bathroom mirror when standing 4 feet away in normal lighting.
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#64966 - 08/15/09 03:24 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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I'm treating the areas you're talking about, and I have a lot of brown hairs and long blonde hairs from threading. I do ok with 1 hour a week. Also, I was thinking today that the blonde hairs have different growth cycles than the dark hairs. It seems like the blonde hairs take forever to grow back. Maybe they have less or longer growth cycles? At any rate it's good news economically.

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#64980 - 08/16/09 01:12 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: candela]
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ok. phew. i'm going to step back from the mirror and try to stop scrutinizing... and try not to look in the car mirrors at all, oh my goodness they are awful! .. and now , another question. (sorry!)

I have some acne on my chin... will electrolysis worsen it, is it safe?

Candela, that's great to know! I see you've had about 13 hrs now .. how far along do you think you are now in terms of getting to the end? I'm just curious as to getting average number of hours to completion for people who are having the same areas treated as me.

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#64982 - 08/16/09 04:37 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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They say on here that you need 9 months to treat all your growth cycles, so I wouldn't be done with that until December on my chin and upper lip. Then I'd need a few months more for cheeks because I started later and never seem to get full clearance there. After the 9th month mark I should see only hairs that weren't killed the first time, so I shouldn't need to go in as much.

Right now I'm still having a lot of hair come in, but nowhere near as bad as it was when I started on my upper lip and chin in terms of coarseness/noticibility. I'm looking forward to seeing a reduction in hairs on my lip and chin by the 6th month mark at the end of September.

I wouldn't be surprised if this takes 30 hours to complete, but it's worth it if I'll never have to worry about facial hair again my whole life, never have to thread myself again (and my electrologists say I'm so good with pain! hah hah I'm just used to suffering for beauty or maybe a little masochist), and can sleep in instead of plucking every day.

And I notice that electrolysis helps my acne too! Short term it can aggravate acne, but long term it seems to fix the pores so they're less likely to clog. Plus you don't get acne from ingrown hairs anymore. I just wish there was some kind of electrolysis treatment for oil glands, so I could treat my nose.

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#65060 - 08/19/09 04:08 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: candela]
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Hi all, another question, and thanks for the reply.

I was not able to get an appointment at the doctor (an endocrinologist) until the end of september!! I wanted to have my hormones tested before starting the procedure, but I don't want to put it off that long .. would it be ok to go ahead and start having electrolysis and have the tests done afterwards - and then if there's some imbalance - treat it at the same time as treatment, and if not just keep going? and I remembered one more thing.. I have been using retin-a gel every other day for acne for the past two weeks. Is it ok to have electrolysis done while using this gel ? I've heard for laser that you cannot have the procedure done because it makes skin extra sensitive, but what about electrolysis?

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#65062 - 08/19/09 04:17 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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I stop retin-a about 5 days before treatment because it does make you react worse. I just keep putting it on the areas that I don't treat.

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#65068 - 08/19/09 05:23 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: candela]
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You can start treatments now even before you see an endo. The only thing you'll find out from him is whether you may want to get on medication to control future growth. You'll still need to start removing the hair that's already there. So might as well start now.

You need about 12 months of treatments after your first clearance if you go on schedule and leave fully cleared each time. Treatments will decrease in frequency the entire time.

Blend removes about 2-3 hairs per minute vs thermolysis at 5-10.

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#65752 - 09/09/09 01:49 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: LAgirl]
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OK! I've finally got an endocrinologist appointment scheduled, and will be going for an electrolysis consultation next week- this has taken just a bit longer than I had expected!

I have a question though... It's recently occurred to me that the acne on my chin and upper lip might be from my removal methods, I have perfectly clear skin on the rest of my face. I had left chin hair untouched until last April when I waxed and then broke out insanely, which still hasn't cleared up and continues to flare up. I started shaving recently in preparation for electrolysis and notice that the "acne" looks worse.. How do you tell if the acne is just hormonal or might just be from removal method irritation.. my acne is a lot of little red dots, hardly raised but visible.. Could removal methods be the reason for that and- if so- would electrolysis solve that with time?

I let the hair grow out for about 3 days just to get an idea of how much is there.. about 20 dark hairs on the upper lip and maybe 8-10 on my chin, and the rest is really fine, but some of it is dark. I have decided just to have electrolysis on my upper lip, chin, and neck and disregard the sides of the face and upper cheeks- the hair I have there is reasonably normal and I was just obsessing over it...

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#65759 - 09/09/09 09:19 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Electrolysis would not cause acne. Usually, acne is reduced by electrolysis. Chin acne frequently has to do with pressure, like resting your chin on your hand, and the weight of your head causes the pressure to lead to acne.
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#66207 - 09/24/09 04:02 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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I had my first consultation yesterday. Looking for feedback on the experience! We did my upper lip and chin, she says I should come in every week for a half hour to start. I was a little red afterwards, but it was gone within the hour.. as for pain, it hurt a bit, and I thought I felt something kind of like a plucking with some hairs.. but I'm not sure, some were really short (I only came in with one days growth) so I think that might have been the feeling. The electrologist uses blend method, after treatment she treated the are with with hazel and said overall the process could take from 8-12 months, but possibly more if there's a hormonal issue. She seemed very informed and explained the whole process very well plus the place was very clean. I'm not sure what kind of machine it is (something starting with an e I believe?) I will find out at the next appointment, but I know it's the computerized blend method ...

so what do you guys think? Sound good? She said if she ups the intensity level she can treat more hairs per session, I'm thinking I can go up higher for the next one but is it possible to be overtreated that way? It healed very quickly at this intensity level, will making it higher make the healing take longer? The pain was bearable, some of the chin and upper lip ones hurt really bad (we didn't do any in the middle of my upper lip yet) but I could deal- thinking about taking a motrin before the next appointment? Is a half hour enough for every week? She got rid of most of the dark coarse hairs on this important but there are a lot of fine hairs that hadn't grown out from shaving yet or were too short... so I'm going to go in with two days growth next time.

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#66211 - 09/24/09 12:14 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Have you been tweezing or waxing your chin hairs prior to electrolysis? She will know how much time should be allowed. With so many different epilators out there, it's hard to say how much is too much and we all have different skill levels. The skin reaction and healing should be our guide. With the newer and best epilators, all bothersome hair could be removed if you gave her enough time and she used the faster forms of thermolysis, but she has to make that decision because she can see you.

Watch your skin closely and maybe you should keep weekly 30 minute appointments until you see how things are going for you. She may want to break you in gradually and increase the intensity as she see's fit. There is a lot of assessing to do in those first few treatments because everyone is so different. Give her a chance to try some things until she can settle on what is best for YOU. Advil is a good choice to take 1-1.5 hours before your treatment, but do take it with food so as not to irritate your stomach lining. Keep shaving, but give her enough growth so she can grasp the hair. One to three days worth would be very nice.

Did you sample other electrologists in the Pittsburgh area? We always suggest this so you can compare many things.
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#66415 - 10/04/09 07:56 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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had my second session. we're doing a half hour a week, as that is really all I can afford to do at once now anyway...


We haven't really gotten to the middle of my upper lip yet, she has just been treating the sides so far and getting rid of the darker/thicker hairs, same with my chin. My question is though: when can we begin to tackle the finer hairs? it seems like every week new, darker ones will come in..... is that normal to just start with those, and will they eventually stop coming in so that the finer hairs underneath can be treated? I know it's only my second treatment but already it feels like this might take a looong time, just looking at all the finer hairs that are there ( I don't want them ALL treated- i'm ok with "peach fuzz" but, if I let them grow for more than a week, some are longer- those are the one's i'd like gone). I had been tweezing and waxing since I was about 13 but I started shaving over a month ago in preparation for electrolysis.

my healing has been fabulous- only red for about an hour or two afterwards.. but I have one question: some hairs I can feel a pull- it's not necessarily a "plucking" feel but definitely a pull- can this happen sometimes? ie. if the hair is thicker, can you feel it coming out?

unfortunately this is the only place I have gone for a consultation. . . I don't have adequate transportation to get to any of the other offices I found. overall, she seems highly educated - using the blend method- the machine looks a little old, but it works.. oh I think she has been treating me on .3 - how does that sound? should it be higher/lower? this treatment wasn't as painful so i was thinking of telling her to up the intensity next time so we can go faster..

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#66442 - 10/05/09 09:38 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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anybody???

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#66452 - 10/06/09 03:18 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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For your upper lip, doing a half hour a week is fine in the beginning as long as you are healing well in between. The middle upper lip is the last to go. There are more hairs in this areas than on the sides in my years of observation. It is ouchier, so clients will not usually allow you to work for more than five minutes (unless they have an Apilus Platinum or Pure). This is an area where the magnification part
that your electrologist has chosen matters much. Those hairs can be very fine and probe selection is important, also. I don't know what she is doing, but give her a chance. Blend will work, but the new kinds of thermolysis are faster. If a better brand epilator is used that is computerized, the sensation factor is better. You can get some topical anesthetic through your medical provider and apply it to that middle area if you really need it.

Treating the darker, thicker hairs is what we do first. It is visually pleasing to the client to get rid of the noticeable hairs as you can imagine. We then go after the finer, longer hairs of all colors next. Again, this can be accomplished if the electrologist has good surgical magnification. Even then, I personally like to give my clients a mirror so they can point out hairs that I missed as I am not perfect blush . Your description of the hair you have is the reason why many electrologists are upgrading to Apilus 27 megahertz epilators. They make hair removal so much easier for both the client and the electrologist. Blend is very good, but one can have about 200-400 insertions in a thirty minute session using the faster forms of electrolysis. Skin reaction is good, healing is good, sensation is much better and getting the hair off fast is certainly desired, and that can be accomplished with modern tools that the electrolysis manufacturers have provided for us. If you can't find someone that has modernized, then so be it - you will still get permanent hair removal. It's just so much nicer to go to someone who has skill with an enhanced setup.

I think it is a good sign that your healing is fabulous. Sometimes a pull is felt for some of those hairs with dry, white bulbs, but we like to see the majority of hairs slide out without traction. Sometimes, tweaking the timing for these white, dry hairs will eliminate that pull sensation. They are stubborn even though they are little guys. Some hairs with big bottoms pop out of the follicle even though it has been properly treated. Tell her if you feel consistent traction when she lifts out the hair.

It would be good if you could test out other electrologists if there is anyway you can change your transportation strategy, but you can only do what you can do, I understand.

Giving levels on your practitioner's epilator means nothing. We can't tell you if that is proper level or not. We need to be involved with you up close and personal. Electrolysis is a very technical procedure that requires much assessment and levels can change from week to week or even within the same session. She may need to bring up the intensity? or timing?. She just can't turn it up because you want to go faster or she may damage your skin. If she had a better epilator, she would be free of all the constraints that an older epilator offers. She could go lightning fast if she purchased a better epilator and re-trained, thenyou wouldn't be thinking that this is going to take soooooooo long.

Dee


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#66588 - 10/12/09 08:38 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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Dee, thank you for your reply.. She does use a computerized machine.

I was just getting a little worried is all. But I feel like I've seen a big improvement already just with two treatments. Right now there are only about 5 or 6 thicker, darker hairs that come in on my chin as opposed to the small patches there were on my first treatment and which would start re growing every day I shaved... those areas only have fine hairs growing on them now. I actually haven't shaved my chin in a week because I wanted to give the finer hairs time to grow in so they could be removed- and it seems as if there's not a REALLY big job to do like I was feeling before (there are a few dark ones like I said before, but much less than before). We haven't started working on my lower lip yet either but again.. all of that hair is fine and only a few are dark. I'm going for another session tomorrow.

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#66637 - 10/14/09 05:17 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Everything sounds great here, apart from the slight traction, and as Dee said ,there could be a reason for this, particularly on a first clearance. It is great to see such an obvious difference so quickly, and this leads me to beleive ,that you must be in skilled hands.
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#66643 - 10/14/09 02:59 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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As for the finer hair your underlip, probe selection is very important. An insulated probe, like a 2 or even a 3 size is very useful. Energy and timing must be lowered if the hair structure is very fine and long. Watch the healing part and give her helpful feedback so she will know what to do if you don't heal as well as you should. I hope her magnification part is very good so she can see which hairs to treat and which hairs to leave alone.

Dee
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#67232 - 11/04/09 07:37 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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Hi all. No questions this time, but I just thought I should update since I'm always curious to see how peoples treatment is going.

I had my fifth thirty minute treatment today. Things are going GREAT. I only had one dark/coarse hair that grew in on my chin after my last treatment (2 weeks ago)... and we are gradually getting closer to working on the middle of my upper lip, as well as my lower lip. I am very pleased and hope to get a full clearance within the next two months. There is light at the end of the tunnel, I think- I already feel better about my appearance.

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#67239 - 11/04/09 02:08 PM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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Thanks for the feedback, Natalie.
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#70021 - 02/16/10 05:14 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: ]
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I'm almost at the 6 month mark now and a little bit worried- I'm gonna stick with it, but it's a long process, I guess. Almost all the coarse hairs are gone now (I didn't have too many, by coarse I mean... the ones I could see in normal light, like the bathroom mirror.) maybe I'm just oversensitive to hair now, but I'll examine my face directly over a fluorescent light after treatments.. there's still a lot of hair there, and I haven't really had a first clearance yet. I'm happy with the electrologist for the most part, but I wish she were faster... this is the only one in the area that I am able to get to , though.

any board pros making a trip out to western pa sometime soon? :P

I just wanted to know if this is ok progress for 6 months...? maybe I'm just hitting the next growth cycle again because there seem to be more hairs when before I felt like we were getting really close to a full clearance. I just want to be done with this hair forever!!

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#70022 - 02/16/10 05:15 AM Re: Need Help! [Re: Natalie1008]
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ooh and if it helps, I have been going every week... for 30 minutes, have only missed it once or twice

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